On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:16:52PM +0000, Steve Mynott wrote:

There's very little off-topic on this list :)

> Kickstart is RedHat
> http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/KickStart-HOWTO.html
> Jumpstart is Solaris
> Both are automated install procedures.

Yes. I have learnt.

> > If it is just a solaris thing, I was holding up solaris boxes as being
> > GOOD because they don't come with much stuff installed. For servers,
> > I see this as a desirable feature.
> Whatever system I use (linux or solaris) I find they come with far too
> much stuff installed.  Solaris is a bad offender as well with Thai X
> Windows fonts and that CDE junk as well.  No I don't want power
> management or true-type fonts on a server thank you Mr Joy.

My only install of solaris has been on a 486, but IIRC you get a decent
amount of flexibility over what does, and does not, go in.

> Any system, irrespective of OS or distribution, I tend to totally
> strip down out of all junk.  Binary package managers [1] tend to help a
> lot with this (yes RPM can be good especially the -e flag). 
> This is what the Hells Angels did with their Harleys, strip them
> ("chop") down the bare essentials before starting work.
> I then customise them by installing all the real GNU programs (and
> checking all the configuration options before building) you need like
> emacs, rcs, gcc, perl etc (and the DJB stuff) under /usr/local and
> killing that evil inetd program (a nice simple way of securing your
> system).
> If you follow this then you should be able to make a useable UNIX
> system from any system (maybe even SCO if you were that insane).

This is reminding me of our talk of the ROPE thing - drop in packages
that turn any system into something usable for a particular application.

> [1] My main gripe with *BSD is lack of binary package management

It's been a while since I BSD'd much, but I definately remember installing
binary packages for many things on OpenBSD.


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