Bryan J Smith wrote: > And now you switch to my way of thinking. ;) > > I.e., you have to conceed Vi != sendmail, and that Vi is still the > _default_, if any. ;) > > That if we're talking about reducing/removing Vi, we're really talking > about removing 'interactive' altogether? If so, agreed! ;)
Nope. I don't have a big issue with vi coverage at weight 1, simply because basic vi is quite easy to learn. I think the current weight-3 objective is a waste of two perfectly good weight points. What I can't stand is people claiming that vi is the One True Editor and that you can't be a True Sysadmin™ unless you use vi. Vi is a living fossil that by historical accident is left over from the 1970s. It is cool but only in the sense that a coelacanth is cool; you can't help but be impressed that it managed to stick around as long as it did in a world that changed such a lot in the meantime. Other 1970s icons haven't fared nearly as well; not even Unix sysadmins still wear bell-bottom corduroy trousers and platform soles. As far as “removing 'interactive' altogether” is concerned, I think we need to draw a line somewhere. The trend is towards automation and chances are that in the future we'll type fewer commands into interactive shells. But the shell and the Unix toolkit of commands are going to stick around for a while (there will always be scripts or Ansible playbooks). So “removing 'interactive' altogether” may be easier said than done. I'm all in favour of acknowledging the importance of tools like Ansible but perhaps not in LPIC-1. > It's not about reducing Vi's importance for 'interactive' so other > questions can be asked. It's about removing text editing altogether. I could live with not covering text editing in LPIC-1 at all. That of course wouldn't mean text editing doesn't exist or people shouldn't edit text, it's just that (a) text editing on Linux in 2019 doesn't necessarily mean “vi”, and (b) we don't examine people on other very basic skills like typing or using a mouse either, we just assume that they're proficient enough at these skills to do whatever is needed. Adding the use of a text editor to this set of basic skills isn't a huge thing, and we can assume that basic exam prep materials and classes will still have a thing or two to say about text editing, even if it is “run the ‘vimtutor’ command and I'll see you in a quarter of an hour”. > Agreed! Why didn't you just say you agreed with me then? ;) Because I really don't. Anselm -- Anselm Lingnau · [email protected] · https://www.tuxcademy.org Freie Schulungsmaterialien für Linux und Open-Source-Software Free Training Materials for Linux and Open-Source Software _______________________________________________ lpi-examdev mailing list [email protected] https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev
