On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 14:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would submit that if the test is more about how to take it than a 
> measure of knowledge then they are not really meeting the need.

Agreed.  I consider the CIW _testing_ program to be such.  Sad
considering the courseware/books are quite excellent.

> The Perl people I spoke with (a well known person in those ranks) was not 
> impressed with the present offerings and suggested directly that LPI was a 
> good venue to make a well respected certification. I don't know about 
> other areas but my exposure to Perl shows me that making a programmers 
> certification that is respected will be difficult but well worth the 
> effort if it can be done right. Of course doing it wrong will hurt 
> immensely.

I would pitch the idea to O'Reilly.  God knows they could easily make
the money back in official courseware/books.  

> Partnering with the right entities would be great. I'd be careful however. 
> The CIW tests being involved with "gaming the test" might hurt our 
> reputation.

Agreed.  But I had to suggest it.  Especially for those of us who have
taken enough exams to probably "qualify" using existing exams.

But yeah, it would be as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" as the Microsoft MCSA/MCSE
Security and Messenging specialties used existing exams.  But I have
those too.

[ Client requests/requirements and their blind faith in them have turned
me into a "cert whore" ;-]

> I don't know anything about the MySQL test but the 
> organization is well respected so looking into that might be helpful.

Exactomundo.

> I'd like to see some dicussion on how LPI feels about partnerships and 
> just what kinds of things are best left to partners and which are best 
> brought in to the core of LPI.

Well, it's a temporary solution.

CIW already accepts LPIC as a "pre-requisite" for some of their titles.


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