Dear Christian,
Point taken - though others also expressed concern that personal emails
became public! Bit I'll aim to send any further communications on this
direct matter only to Monica.
regards,
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: Christian Aretz <[email protected]>
To: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; LutList
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2016, 9:10
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Protocol was Re: Privacy
Please excuse my lack of interest in netiquette-discussions, but
wouldn't it be a good moment to stop this publicly conducted (and
meanwhile extremely annoying!) discussion now (!) and get back to
normal life and lute related topics?
Thanks,
Christian
> Am 06.08.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Martyn Hodgson
<[1][email protected]>:
>
> Dear Monica,
> Well, kettle and pot comes to mind! But seriously, I'm certainly
happy
> to admit that I was wrong in this case by expecting a personal email
to
> remain private. This is the whole point of my last message which,
I'm
> very sorry to say, you have avoided addressing. Whether I know Anton
> Hoger (I don't) and his work (only what's on ISMLP) is wholly
> immaterial to this matter.
> And finally, how is it wrong to suggest to someone that there may be
> other ways to achieve what they may be wishing to do? And how is it
> wrong to do this privately and so avoiding (or trying to) any
personal
> embarrassment and ridiculous slanging matches?
> regards,
> Martyn
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: "[2][email protected]" <[3][email protected]>
> To: LutList <[4][email protected]>
> Cc: Martyn Hodgson <[5][email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, 5 August 2016, 17:41
> Subject: Fw: Protocol was Re: [LUTE] Privacy
> Clearly this is going to run and run as Martyn can never admit that
he
> might be in the wrong.
> As far as I am aware Martyn does not know Anton personally, knows
> nothing about him or his work, doesn't understand why he is doing it
or
> why he sends messages to the list to draw attention to it.
> I think it was officious and patronising of Martyn to contact Anton
off
> the list and say to him - if this is what he did say
> "Have you ever considered learning to play from figured bass? This
> would save
> you much mundane work making these unnecessary
> transcriptions/arrangements".
> Anton is a professional player and doesn't need any advice from
Martyn.
> Other people certainly don't think that Anton's transcriptions are
> unnecessry.
> If what you want to say is not suitable to be said in public perhaps
> you should ask yourself what right you have to contact someone whom
you
> have never met and say it to them in private.
> That seems like harassment to me.
> As ever
> Monica
> ----Original Message----
> From: [1][6][email protected]
> Date: 05/08/2016 12:38
> To: "[2][7][email protected]"<[3][8][email protected]>,
> "[4][9][email protected].
> uk"<[5][10][email protected]>
> Subj: Fw: Protocol was Re: [LUTE] Privacy
> Dear Monica,
> Well, to be clear, I didn't wish to say anything on the open list
> since, knowing how some may take any suggestion, even if meant
> helpfully (as explained in my longer subsequent posting), as a
slight,
> a private rather than public message was thought more appropriate in
> this case. Just because someone's name is on this list doesn't
prohibit
> one from conducting private communications if considered more
> appropriate (and tactful..........).
> In general I think the usual protocol is probably the wisest to
follow:
> a personal message is just that. Ralf Mattes well sets this out in
his
> message yesterday.
> And yes, if we think it more appropriate to discuss things
personally
> with another individual list member (who we may already know anyway)
> then I can see no problem with that. Indeed, some of the more useful
> and helpful messages I receive from time to time are by from
individual
> list members not copied to the entire list. Horses for courses I
> think..........
> regards,
> Martyn.
> ________________________________
> From: "[6][11][email protected]" <[7][12][email protected]>
> To: LutList <[8][13][email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2016, 15:31
> Subject: [LUTE] Privacy
> I think that what I was trying to say has been misconstrued - as is
> often the case with these arguments.
> If you are on Facebook - or Earlyguitar.ning people can only contact
> you directly if you accept them as friends.
> This list is different. Anyone can join, there is no moderator,
nobody
> decides who may join. That means that everyone on the list has
access
> to everyone else's e-mails. This facility should not be abused.
> As I understand it Martyn contacted Anton after he had posted
details
> of his latest intabulations on this list. If Martyn has anything
> helpful to say that might help Anton to make his work even more
useful
> than it is already - and a lot of people do find it very useful and
are
> grateful to him for posting the details - then why not say it here.
We
> have discussed this before.
> Does being on this list mean that anyone is entitled to engage in a
> one-
> to-one correspondence with you?
> Better leave it at that as this will probably be misconstrued too.
> Monica
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