I use only four search rules to locate all the spam that comes into my shellworld.net account and these rules also find ham that was sent me too. The shellworld.net account is a free-bsd account with spamassassin on it. The four rules are as follows and there's no way any offender has managed to get around them either. First; search CC: field for the search term undisclosed and check out minimal information on message headers and toss in spam folder as warranted. Second, search CC: field for email domain mine is shellworld.net and toss when warranted. Third, search To: field for search term undisclosed and toss when warranted. Fourth, search To: field for email domain and toss when warranted. Failure to search for full email addresses has the effect of finding spam that uses another email address on your email domain as a BCC List address. On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> My situation is very similar to yours John, if the world stopped using > Outlook and Outlook Express in favour of other email clients - > Including Apple Mail - then the world would largely be a SPAM-free > one, the only SPAM available would be that on the supermarket shelves > in cans <smile>. > > Up until December 22nd last year, I had been using a different ISP, I > had been using them for just over 4 years and with various email > clients including Outlook Express, that period saw me migrating from > Windows to Mac with my mail. > > Since I started using my current ISP, I've been using only 2 email > clients, Apple Mail obviously and Thunderbird for those times I've > been using the Windows PC, I'm sending and receiving more email than i > ever thought possible now but I very rarely get an email which is in > fact SPAM, I'd be lucky to get one every month or so and the only > reason that happens is because we have other people out there using > Outlook Express, your email address is collected by that particular > computer and transmitted. > > Anyway getting back to the point, I found - in the days of high SPAM > content - the Junk email filtering of Apple Mail to be amongst the > best I've ever used with Thunderbird a close second, the training > facility is a "must use" at least for a while until you think you've > got the balance right, obviously you're going to need to check your > junk folder every now and then just to be sure that you're not > throwing away content you wish to keep. > > I'm not using Snow Leopard yet but I doubt whether Apple Mail would > have gone backwards in this regard. > > On 31/08/2009, at 3:26 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> >> Using Mac Mail, I get almost no spam at all. Let me put this >> into the proper context so you understand my point. When I was using >> Outlook in its various forms throughout the years, for every 100 >> messages I downloaded, I was, at the "high point" receiving about 40 >> or so spam messages. This is not a joke or exaggeration. It was a >> frustrating and annoying task to go through mail, and I had read >> several technical articles that explained why Outlook and Outlook >> Express were notoriously big spam generators in regard to how header >> information is easily gotten. I, btw, receive about 500 to 750 >> messages a day on average. >> >> By way of contrast, in the years I have been using Apple Mail, >> I'd say that for every 100 messages I download, I get 1 or 2 spam >> messages. More often than not, as this weekend has been the case, it >> is 0. Note that I have some 6 or 7 active email accounts that >> include Hotmail, Gmail and AIM as well. Only through the Hotmail >> account do I still get the occasional garbage on a consistent basis. >> >> So, yes, I can say that I get no spam, as I had a pretty >> substantial experience to compare it to. Nothing is "perfect", but >> I'd say that going from some 40 percent of spam content down to 1 >> percent is a very nice change of pace and a breath of fresh air. >> Additionally, I do not get the pornographic and offers for various >> pharmaceutical products either that were common in my Outlook folders. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Chris Polk wrote: >> >>> >>> Just wondering, you said the mac doesn't get spam? >>> I am a new mac user, but i beg to differ with you on this one.lol >>> Spam >>> can find its way in to any mail program.lol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:51 AM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I will disagree with Anyone who claims that there is no >>>> hostility or arrogance from the Windows community towards the Mac >>>> and, >>>> specifically, VoiceOver. Since VoiceOver became available in >>>> Tiger, I >>>> have encountered the very behavior and attitudes from Windows users >>>> towards the Mac as I have read some Windows users accuse Mac users >>>> of >>>> showing towards Windows. In fact, at NFB shows, this mentality has >>>> probably been the strongest. There is a mindset among hardcore >>>> members of the blindness organization of "circling the wagons" or >>>> "protecting ones own", and I think anyone who tries to claim >>>> otherwise >>>> is not living on this planet. Sadly, I think Snow Leopard is only >>>> going to create more shrill and vitriolic responses in regard to >>>> Apple's efforts, and never any slightest acknowledgement of the >>>> "good" >>>> it is doing for the blind. >>>> >>>> Now, the one thing that is apparently overlooked is that many of >>>> us on this list and others who have been using the Mac are either >>>> former Windows users or, like myself, still use Windows. I will >>>> admit >>>> without hesitation that I take shots at Windows and openly criticize >>>> Microsoft, but having used Windows for some 13 years, I surely feel >>>> that I am qualified to do so and can speak about the shortcomings of >>>> Windows quite knowledgeably. This is not arrogance or anything else >>>> on my part. This is simply experience and the difference I have >>>> found >>>> in using the Mac. Yes, the "dark side" might be too strong of a >>>> term, >>>> yet, at the same time, it is like night and day. No viruses, spam, >>>> crashes and other Windows instability issues Windows users just seem >>>> to tolerate and accept as being "normal". If anything, Vista >>>> completely turned me off from windows forever, and I am not >>>> impressed >>>> by Windows 7 at all at this point. >>>> >>>> With that all said, however, again, it must also be noted that >>>> companies like, GW Micro, Serotek and Freedom Scientific have done a >>>> considerable amount of good for the blind. Windows screen reader >>>> developers often receive a great deal of criticism and grumbling >>>> from >>>> their own user base. I know that accessibility and Microsoft are >>>> often quite challenging from what I have been privately told by both >>>> GW Micro and FS people. Thus, I would never be one to take anything >>>> away from Windows access efforts, as that was my introduction to >>>> computers and it carried me through may years. Many folks, either >>>> by >>>> circumstance or choice, still use Windows, and that will probably >>>> not >>>> change, other than, perhaps, the choice part of the equation. >>>> >>>> In regard to the three features that are the topic of this >>>> thread, I don't personally find a need to go back to the old Windows >>>> way of editing. It was difficult to become adjusted to the Mac way >>>> at >>>> the start, but it makes far more sense to me than the Windows >>>> way. I >>>> don't need a webpage read to me in its entirety at any time, but I >>>> really think the summarization of the elements on a site is >>>> particularly useful. However, the one thing that us longer time Mac >>>> users and even many newer ones understand, the beauty of the Mac >>>> experience is that we are given more than one way to accomplish a >>>> task. If these additions to Snow Leopard assist and ease the >>>> transition for a Windows user to the Mac, overall, I think that it >>>> is >>>> a good thing. Customization has increased quite a bit in Snow >>>> Leopard, so whatever is comfortable to you is obviously what you >>>> use. >>>> This also goes, btw, for your choice of access tools as well, >>>> whether >>>> it be the Mac, Windows or Linux. It is just a matter of myself >>>> having >>>> chosen the Mac way as being superior in more than enough ways to >>>> make >>>> it my tool of choice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John Panarese >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:21 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No you are right, NFB and other blindnes organizations who >>>>> supposedly hvae >>>>> our best interests at heart are very narrow minded when it coems to >>>>> technological matters as well as others. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Les Kriegler" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:09 PM >>>>> Subject: RE: 3 features that hmm? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Donna and All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll offer my opinion as a current Windows user. As I enter >>>>>> MacLand, one >>>>>> of >>>>>> the most valuable benefits of this list has been what those of you >>>>>> who are >>>>>> current Mac users offer, and that's perspective. I have a pretty >>>>>> good >>>>>> idea >>>>>> of the chalenges that await. For my part, I will try and learn >>>>>> the >>>>>> editing >>>>>> ways of Apple. If I can get used to it, I'll be better off in the >>>>>> long >>>>>> run. >>>>>> If it becomes too frustrating, I'll use the Windows editing >>>>>> feature. I >>>>>> suspect the first will apply based on what a number of you have >>>>>> said. I'm >>>>>> certain as a new Mac user, I'll do exactly what Donna has >>>>>> described, >>>>>> especially since I'll be back and forth between Windows and Apple. >>>>>> That's >>>>>> okay, because it's unavoidable. I do like having choices, as I >>>>>> suspect >>>>>> most >>>>>> who have used both operating systems do. Finally, just for the >>>>>> record, I >>>>>> think a couple of you came down too hard on Marie. I didn't take >>>>>> any >>>>>> offense to her comments. It sounded like she responded to the >>>>>> perceived >>>>>> pressure that NFB placed on Apple to implement this change. NFB >>>>>> hasn't >>>>>> exactly been at all complimentary of Apple's efforts, and that's >>>>>> really >>>>>> unfortunate. The fact that any of us who are coming over from >>>>>> Windows are >>>>>> willing to do this shows that we are open to a different way of >>>>>> doing >>>>>> things, and that's to be commended. >>>>>> >>>>>> Les >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:27 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: RE: 3 features that hmm? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I completely agree Max. Editing wasn't hard for me to learn, but >>>>>> web >>>>>> browsing and getting used to where certain things are in the >>>>>> system >>>>>> has >>>>>> been >>>>>> more of a challenge. And at least five times a day I still press >>>>>> Enter >>>>>> instead of Command-O to open a file or launch an app. And >>>>>> conversely, it's >>>>>> also gotten to the point where when I'm on my Windows machine, I >>>>>> try and >>>>>> press Command-shift-D to send an email message. I guess that's >>>>>> just the >>>>>> nature of moving back and forth between two systems. I think the >>>>>> more >>>>>> choices we as blind users have, the better, and I'd encourage >>>>>> anyone to >>>>>> just >>>>>> find the one that is the best fit for them. >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Maxwell Ivey Jr. <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:44 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Donna; It could have just been me, but that is the point. >>>>>> there are >>>>>> people out there who have been doing it one way for so long that >>>>>> any >>>>>> change >>>>>> can be frustrating. I remember how many times i deleted the wrong >>>>>> character >>>>>> or inserted a character in the wrong spot and had to do it over. >>>>>> Now, I'm >>>>>> used to it. And the few times i use the windows computer I have >>>>>> to >>>>>> remember >>>>>> things like pressing the spacebar before entering text in a form >>>>>> field. >>>>>> Mac >>>>>> is the way to go. Just wish we could convince the makers of >>>>>> adobe, >>>>>> flash, >>>>>> eudora, and others that we can't currently use on the mac. Take >>>>>> care, Max >>>>>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I guess we all have our things. Ironically, the adjustment >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> editing text has been one of the easier parts of my adjustment to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>> *smile* >>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maxwell >>>>>>>> Ivey >>>>>>>> Jr. >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:16 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks donna; only wish my transition from doss to windows had >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> as easy. That was a real mind cramp sort of thing. Take care, >>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice post, Max. >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maxwell >>>>>>>>>> Ivey >>>>>>>>>> Jr. >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello; Just speaking for myself the hardest adjustment i had >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> when moving to a mac was getting used to the way you have to >>>>>>>>>> edit >>>>>>>>>> text. Now, that I understand it, it is second nature; but it >>>>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>>>> real headache in the beginning. Another one that was a tough >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> to get my mind around was not having multiple windows in my >>>>>>>>>> browser. I finallly found out that you can have multiple >>>>>>>>>> finder >>>>>>>>>> and safari windows you just cycle through them differently. >>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>> sounds like apple was doing its best to listen and adapt to >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> people were saying were short comings in voiceover. To me >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> a good thing. Maybe they didn't get this one issue right, >>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>> believe they continually make an honest effort to give us the >>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>> accessible easiest to use product out there. I'm still >>>>>>>>>> planning to >>>>>>>>>> wait on snow lepard. You know >>>>>>>> why? >>>>>>>>>> Its because of all the times I upgraded in windows and found >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> were worse instead of better. Its for all the times I kept >>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> previous version of software out of fear that the next one >>>>>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>>> work with jaws. So, thanks to apple for voiceover and their >>>>>>>>>> continuing commitment to universal access. You all take care, >>>>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> think I did say I was glad of the choice, just sad apple had >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> accomodate those who find it impossible to edit text in the >>>>>>>>>>> way it >>>>>>>>>>> is meant to be edited. they are features that yes, fine they >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> here now, just weren't really missing in my opinion. If >>>>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> screen reader to hold their hand cool. whatever everyone >>>>>>>>>>> needs. as >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> stated, opinion, that's all. everyone's allowed those :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Come on this is crazy. You just can't imagine the number of >>>>>>>>>>>> people who bitched and complained about this whole editing >>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple was taken to task by one of the rags put out by the >>>>>>>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>> organization about the editing issue. APparently enough >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>> complained that Apple was trying to provide the flexibility >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>> users who need it. Yeah, I am one of the Scotts who made >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> point because I remember clearly the noise about this >>>>>>>>>>>> editing >>>>>>>>>>>> issue. I >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> no benefit in removing it and quite frankly since it's here, >>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> at this point. If it really helps someone , fine because >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> those who would simply not consider the Mac for this reason. >>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> option and not a default and that is why it's a feature not >>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>> removing. My point is you have to think beyond what you have >>>>>>>> stated >>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't entirely disagree with your point of what is or >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> not a standard way of editing etc. At the same time, it >>>>>>>>>>>> obviously >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> take a great deal of effort to implement it and at least it >>>>>>>>>>>> is an >>>>>>>>>>>> option. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their >>>>>>>>>>>>> content, >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes >>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Context >>>>>>>>>>>>> sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way >>>>>>>>>>>>> shorter learning curve usually than reading a whole manual >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to apply things to a ton of situations at once. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying that >>>>>>>> they're >>>>>>>>>>>>> enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are >>>>>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>>>>> to thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> fire up VO for the first time when they receive a >>>>>>>>>>>>> disgruntled >>>>>>>>>>>>> email from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to >>>>>>>>>>>>> their applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> difference between what works and what doesn't, it gives >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions equally as precise as that email from the VI >>>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>> would in most cases. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>> the option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big >>>>>>>>>>>>> sweeping >>>>>>>>>>>>> oppinion like that, I should say that I was raised on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows, >>>>>>>>>>>>> still use Windows more often than many on here I expect, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> make my fair share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I >>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>> done any in a while. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as >>>>>>>>>>>>> cheating. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease >>>>>>>>>>>>> their progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested, human's just don't work that way, for the most >>>>>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>>>>> we're creatures of >>>>>>>>>> habit >>>>>>>>>>>>> even if they're bad ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking >>>>>>>>>>>>> that a >>>>>>>>>>>>> feature be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any >>>>>>>>>>>>> case, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I >>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with the feature and what's potentially at stake >>>>>>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a sighted mac user, and she point blank didn't get it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure that anyone who hasn't had to appreciate how cool >>>>>>>>>>>>> mainstream technology that >>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably see the introduction of this feature as the best >>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this >>>>>>>>>>>>> side >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the pond... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/29/09, Scott Howell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned the way we all started out. However, of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only plus side is that for those who want to make the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition and >>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we "grew up with" difficult, will at least have a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ease their transition over from the dark side. :) So, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but these are small prices to pay if it will truly help >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the transition. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horribly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remind me of windows are as follows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. automatic reading of a webpage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially when it already says edit text. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intuitive and doesn't teach the vi community how it would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sighties. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just horrific and no one can tell me that it will help >>>>>>>>>> progression >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from windows to mac. I didn't have these features and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glad I did. mac is not windows, when will people realise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall vo rocks even more in this version, and I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grateful >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for giving us a choice. really glad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>>>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2333 - Release >>>>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>>>> 08/29/09 17:51:00 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2333 - Release >>>>>>>> Date: >>>>>>>> 08/29/09 17:51:00 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature >>>>>> database 4381 (20090830) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature >>>>>> database 4381 (20090830) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature >>>>>> database 4381 (20090830) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > ****************************** > > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:"[email protected] > Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane > blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com > Phone United Kingdom > 02032874641 > Phone Australia > 0390058589 > Phone United States > 8159261869 > Fax: > +61 3 9743 7954x > MSN [email protected] > skype:grtdane12 > > ****************************** > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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