I am also suffering from DreamHosts sudden drop of MailMan discussion lists. I'm unhappy that I have paid for their services 2 years in advance (for about 20 years) and they feel it is ok to just drop important features I paid for and am using. I have spent 20 years building 6 discussion list communities and the poor way DreamHost is handling this is causing me a lot of grief. I have 5 MailMain discussion lists of less then 100 people & 1 list of 4800 people.
I contacted ChemiCloud today and they have the same problem as Michael Reeder noted with 4GoodHosting. They have unreasonably restrictive sending limits that negate a discussion list. Hourly limit of 300 destinations per hour. Here is what ChemiCloud said today: > Hello 👋 Welcome to ChemiCloud. I'll be glad to assist you today. > > Hello Dave! Yes, we do support Mailman! Our cPanel-based hosting plans > include the native Mailman mailing list application at no extra cost. You can > easily point your subdomains to our servers and set up your 5 smaller > discussion lists here. > > However, we do need to look closer at your large list of 4,800 people. On our > standard shared hosting and email hosting plans, there are strict hourly > outbound email limits designed to protect server IP reputations. Sending a > single message to 4,800 subscribers simultaneously would breach those limits > and cause delivery failures. Please see our Resource Usage Policies: > https://chemicloud.com/resource-usage-policies#::text=Hourly%20limit%3A%20Users%20are%20limited,emails%20per%20domain%20per%20day. > > To maintain the integrity and reliability of our email services, the > following sending limits apply: > > Hourly limit: a maximum of 300 emails per domain per hour; > Daily limit: a maximum of 3,000 emails per domain per day; > Weekly limit: a maximum of 10,000 emails per domain per week; > > To safely host a list of that size without delivery restrictions, you would > need one of our Cloud VPS plans where you have dedicated resources and > flexible sending limits. Kindly refer to our Cloud VPS hosting: > https://chemicloud.com/vps-hosting > You will see there the monthy, quarterly and annual pricing of each Cloud VPS > packages. > > Ok, thanks for the info. Having such a hourly limit on a discussion list does > not work - for a list of 100 people - if 4 people reply to a list message > that blows the limit. Not going to work, except for very small discussion > lists or very unengaged people. Thanks anyway. > > I totally understand Dave. You are completely right, and I completely > validate that viewpoint. For any group that actually values real-time > engagement and active discussions, a shared hosting hourly cap is a total > dealbreaker. A single, active thread can exhaust a 300-emails-per-hour limit > within minutes. > > Thank you so much for considering ChemiCloud for your project anyway! If your > list requirements ever pivot, or if you decide down the road to explore a > Cloud VPS where you control those mail delivery rules completely, please > don't hesitate to reach back out. So ChemiCloud is also OUT. Not useful for discussion lists. Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix > On May 29, 2026, at 12:58 PM, Michael Reeder LCPC via Mailman-Users > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm also caught in the Dream Host GNU Mailman shutdown and have been looking > at inexpensive alternatives: > > EMWD looks attractive for: Migration help, Mailman 3, and improved user and > admin web interfaces (Empathy and Affinity). $8 USD per list plus random > start-up costs. Also -- ability to host in Canada. > > mailmanlists.net: Looks attractive for migration help, Mailman 3, but > standard web interfaces. $5 USD per list + some start-up costs (I think). > *Love that I can paid in USD for EU hosting!* > > Don't necessarily ruleout the other companies continuing to do GNU Mailman 2 > bundled with their hosting plans through cPanel. This is attractive for dirt > cheap costs (at least if you buy a 3-year package upfront), usually unlimited > number of lists. Some support for porting data over, but might have to > manually reset some admin settings? > > It seems to be a thing that hosting companies will give very cheap monthly > rates upfront if you commit to 3 years ($2.80-$5/month). Then it goes to > roughly $11-15/month after 3 years. > > I'm looking at mainly Canadian companies (pay in Canadian dollars!!). > > Current candidates: whc.ca (Canadian $), chemicloud.com (USD prices, can host > in Canada). > > I unfortunately had to ruleout 4goodhosting.com. They looked good, but if you > have an email list with 500 subscribers, one outbound list message counts as > 500 emails (more than their hourly limit). With whc.ca -- that would count as > ONE outbound email. Pay attention to hourly outbound message limits and ask > questions. > > Fast look at other options looks more expensive (groups.io - $20/mo.). Saw > some options at $100/mo. > > I have just enough ability to run my own VPS, but don't need that chore on my > plate. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > Michael Reeder LCPC > Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore, Maryland > 410-871-TALK / michael(at)securemail.hygeiacounseling.com > http://www.hygeiacounseling.com - main website. > > On 5/28/26 9:34 PM, Dave (FitEyes) wrote: > >> On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 5:19 PM Mark Sapiro >> [<[email protected]>](mailto:[email protected]) >> wrote: >> >>> On 5/26/26 17:42, Michael Welch wrote: >>> >>>> We could use some suggestions on new hosts for the Mailman lists. >>> >>> Preferably no- to low-cost to our nonprofit organization. >> >> I am extremely happy with the service provided by mailman3.com >> I can't say enough good things about the company, and their team. We've >> been with them for years. It's my understanding that they help maintain >> and/or contribute bug fixes to the code. >> The price is €12.5/mo on the annual plan. They might offer discounts to >> nonprofits, but I did not ask (even though we are a nonprofit). >> >>> There is a list of Mailman hosting services at < >>> https://wiki.list.org/x/30 >>> >>>> . >> >> That page is down for me. The message is: >> Service Unavailable >> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance >> downtime or capacity problems. 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