On 16 Feb, 15:12, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> We can't dismiss the possibility of out of body experience and the
> occurrence of other phenomena in the death experience, based upon
> death in the sleep mode. Coming from you Pat, I'm a bit dismayed as
> you should have the wherewithal to explain it better than I.
Perhaps, if I had HAD a near-dying incident, I could; but I haven't.
There was a time, in the car accident last year, where I thought,
"this is it, I'm going to die", but I managed to avoid dying and, in
the process, avoided any close, personal knowledge about what happens
when one IS dying. Whilst I THOUGHT I was going to die, that
assumption proved to be incorrect. I've heard many people say, "Oh,
you'll know." But that's nothing more than speculation. Your coma
experience is FAR more revealing than their speculation. Perhaps we
WILL know.
>However,
> I can relay a portion of my experience within a coma at which time I
> did know I was dying, so even in the subconscious mind there is
> "awareness" of death. Would you rather be awake watching yourself die
> or be a floating apparition watching yourself sleep?
Is the death painful? That is, as long as the impending death is not
painful, I'd rather be as aware as possible. If there's lots of pain,
though, of course, I'd prefer to avoid it and if the 'floating method'
becomes available to me under those circumstances, I suspect I'd take
it. Like many things, life 'after', if there IS any, is probably as
natural as any other and worrying about 'what will I do if X' is
probably much akin to worrying about how one is going to breathe (or
get energy from the environment) after they've been born. There's a
perfectly natural solution available, and there's no need to worry
about it.
>Aside from that
> we can't be sure that a person who dies sleeping was actually in fact
> sleeping by all outward appearances. One could be too weak to open
> the eyes but be very well aware of the people standing around and the
> impending cross over into the afterlife.
>
> On Feb 16, 6:39 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 16 Feb, 01:17, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > What you say is true. There is no assurances, but I'd still be
> > > willing to bet my life on it being more comfortable or at the least
> > > aware. That is my greatest desire to be cogently aware of what's
> > > going on as it happens. I'd give up calm and peace for awareness.
> > > Though I must say your fur coat in hunting season approach has it's
> > > points.
>
> > You and me both, Gruff. I want to know when it's coming. The LAST
> > thing I want to do is to die in my sleep: how will I know I'm dead?
> > Especially if there IS and aftertime. Of course, if there isn't, then
> > it won't matter; but I'd still prefer to know that the time is coming
> > so I can acknowledge the end of my life. But, whatever happens, it
> > will be that which is required to happen and my desires and
> > preferences are, most likely, irrelevant.
>
> > > On Feb 15, 11:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Who is to say that your suicidal method will assure more comfort and
> > > > exclude any and all instances of panic, including but not limited to
> > > > subconscious awareness of self induced destruction leading to a
> > > > struggle out of simple survival instinct, which may no longer be
> > > > optional to the conscious mind after succumbing to the inducement.
> > > > The body may react violently to fight off the inducement and appear as
> > > > if in a state of turmoil or torment. We may imagine a drug induced
> > > > demise to be passive but can not identify with the subconscious as
> > > > what is exactly going on. This is a controversial subject concerning
> > > > the use of lethal injection in criminal death penalty cases.
> > > > Personally I would opt to wear a fur coat in a densely wooded area
> > > > during hunting season and make loud grunting sounds.- Hide quoted text -
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