Speak about your own pains that make you a prostitute for delusional substances instead of ideas, Chris. Kierke set his understanding parameters to overstand, which is fair enough.
On 24 Mrz., 20:20, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah, so you do enjoy a bit of novacaine when having molars extracted > then...and admit that you're only being pedantic and pedagogical when > making such broad condemnations across a vast portion of the > population. > > In your defense, the "Mormons' Struggle" is part of your ideology. > Combined with the "Salt of the Earth" hard working farmers' lifestyle, > I would expect a hard edged outlook. However, even farmers like a good > pint of beer and a couple of Advil after plowing the north 40. It's > all about gradients. > > Winston Churchill turned to the attractive woman next to him and > asked, "Madam, would you be convinced to sleep with me for a million > pounds?" > > "A million pounds? Why, of course!" she replied. > > "Well then, how about ten pounds?" he asked. > > "Mr. Churchill! What kind of woman do you think I am?" she responded angrily. > > "We've already established that," he replied. "Now we're negotiating the > price." > > When there are exceptions to the rule, then we have validated the fact > that the rule is not absolute, and what constitutes an exception > varies according to the perception of the person granting the > exception. You may find it weak that my best friend, who has an > advanced degenerative case of MS needs both Merinol and smoked > Marijuana to ease the muscle spasticity and other symptoms to be able > to function as a normal human, but I assure you, his struggles to > continue functioning as a tax paying citizen and good father to three > children are as challenging some mornings as an Olympian struggling to > shave another 3/100ths of a second off their track time. You mean no > disrespect to him, you don't know him, and yet you flippantly dismiss > his pain and suffering as weakness, without ever having witnessed or > considered his life. > > You think that the pain is good for his soul; yet, what good comes of > his complete inability to walk or pick up his child? This is what his > life is like without marijuana. Is that good for his soul, to be > locked in a claw fisted position on the couch? > > You, like many others, make judgements about a movement that you know > little about. You discount the medical marijuana movement because you > assume that medical marijuana patients are malingerers looking for an > excuse to get high. Until you can get past your narrow perspective > which automatically associates marijuana with burnout stoner hippie, > you'll never be able to judge the issue fairly on its merits, or see > medical marijuana patients with a truly sympathetic eye. That doesn't > bode well for your defense attorney work... ;) > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What I say and what I do are almost always two different things. :) > > But just because I don't practice what I preach doesn't mean that what > > I preach is wrong. So I wouldn't call myself a stoic, but a defender > > of stoicism. > > > On Mar 23, 11:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Congratulations, you're a stoic. You're in good company...Marcus > >> Aurelius would agree with you completely. And yes, if someone saws > >> your leg off without anesthetic, you will most certainly see God. > > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> > Get rid of it all. We're all a bunch of pansies. We need to go back > >> > to the days when they pulled teeth with pliars. Thats when men were > >> > MEN. :) > > >> > On Mar 23, 7:22 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> What about anesthesia for dental procedures, or surgery? > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > Chris, > >> >> > I'm very unsympathetic to the marijuana apologists arguments. Their > >> >> > arguments always appeal to weakness. I'm of the philosophy that the > >> >> > only good arguments are the arguments that appeal to a position of > >> >> > strength. If you want a spiritual experience, why do it the easy > >> >> > way? Its good for the soul to have to work for something like that. > >> >> > And why would you want drugs to relieve you from pain? Pain is good > >> >> > for the soul as well. And if you don't stand in the position of > >> >> > defending drugs from the argument of absence from pain, or abundance > >> >> > of pleasure, then what argument do you have? > >> >> > So in sum, I disagree with the aims of drug use. (i.e. avoidance of > >> >> > pain, excess of pleasure) And even if I agreed with the aims, drugs > >> >> > don't sufficiently accomplish those aims. They end up doing more harm > >> >> > than good. > > >> >> > On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> I understand. I thought you were making a judgement of the tribe > >> >> >> itself. The New Age movement is particularly American, and for the > >> >> >> most part, abstains from the chemical roots of the religions that it > >> >> >> borrows many of its philosophies from. It's an interesting > >> >> >> contradiction to your accurate observation. > > >> >> >> [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig > >> >> >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> >> >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0700 > >> >> >> (PDT)Local:Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking > >> >> >> of Out of Body Experiences... > > >> >> >> Chris, > >> >> >> What I meant by perfect fit for modern america is that we are always > >> >> >> looking for a quick fix. We Americans don't like to put forth > >> >> >> effort. I did not mean that physchodelic drugs are not ancient. > > >> >> >> On Mar 22, 9:43 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is > >> >> >> > not a > >> >> >> > modern american ritual at all. These are South American immigrants, > >> >> >> > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has > >> >> >> > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as Christianity, > >> >> >> > perhaps two to three times as old as that. > > >> >> >> > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If anything, > >> >> >> > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state" without > >> >> >> > them. > > >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you > >> >> >> > > don't > >> >> >> > > deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a > >> >> >> > > spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern > >> >> >> > > america I > >> >> >> > > guess. > > >> >> >> > > On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice > >> >> >> > >> the rituals to the degree necessary to self manufacture the > >> >> >> > >> amounts of DMT necessary to have the "religious experience". > >> >> >> > >> Buddhist monks, perhaps, and some extreme branches of > >> >> >> > >> Catholicism who still practice flagellation. For the rest of > >> >> >> > >> us, a legitimately altered state of reality is not likely to > >> >> >> > >> occur without assistance. > > >> >> >> > >> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12 > >> >> >> > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] > >> >> >> > >> Re: Speaking of Out of Body Experiences... > > >> >> >> > >> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you > >> >> >> > >> tossed > >> >> >> > >> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget! > > >> >> >> > >> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their > >> >> >> > >> faith in > >> >> >> > >> the way they see fit without interference from big brother. > > >> >> >> > >> The question is, though, why do religions need to use > >> >> >> > >> hallucinogens if > >> >> >> > >> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs? > > >> >> >> > >> Just a thought. > > >> >> >> > >> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > >> wrote:> A Judge in Oregon has ruled that the use of Amazonian > >> >> >> > >> plants for the > >> >> >> > >> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience is > >> >> >> > >> > legal: > > >> >> >> > >> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI... > > >> >> >> > >> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? 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