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No, I'm not. Do you want to ban me nevertheless - again?
On 25 Mrz., 15:14, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gabby, that's a nice turn of phrase, but completely discounts everything I
> posted, and uses loaded language which seems intended to insult. Being the
> fan of Wittgenstein that you are, I've wondered if your recent bouts of
> cantankerousness (with Orn and Slip) were intended to spark ire, while your
> twinkling eyes watched with a giggle.
>
> Are you trolling, Gabs?
>
>
>
> [ Angehängte Nachricht ]Von:gabbydott <[email protected]>In:"\"Minds Eye\""
> <[email protected]>Datum:Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:30:11 -0700
> (PDT)Lokal:Mi 25 Mrz. 2009 12:30Betreff:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking of Out of
> Body Experiences...
>
> Speak about your own pains that make you a prostitute for delusional
> substances instead of ideas, Chris. Kierke set his understanding
> parameters to overstand, which is fair enough.
>
> On 24 Mrz., 20:20, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ah, so you do enjoy a bit of novacaine when having molars extracted
> > then...and admit that you're only being pedantic and pedagogical when
> > making such broad condemnations across a vast portion of the
> > population.
>
> > In your defense, the "Mormons' Struggle" is part of your ideology.
> > Combined with the "Salt of the Earth" hard working farmers' lifestyle,
> > I would expect a hard edged outlook. However, even farmers like a good
> > pint of beer and a couple of Advil after plowing the north 40. It's
> > all about gradients.
>
> > Winston Churchill turned to the attractive woman next to him and
> > asked, "Madam, would you be convinced to sleep with me for a million
> > pounds?"
>
> > "A million pounds? Why, of course!" she replied.
>
> > "Well then, how about ten pounds?" he asked.
>
> > "Mr. Churchill! What kind of woman do you think I am?" she responded
> > angrily.
>
> > "We've already established that," he replied. "Now we're negotiating the
> > price."
>
> > When there are exceptions to the rule, then we have validated the fact
> > that the rule is not absolute, and what constitutes an exception
> > varies according to the perception of the person granting the
> > exception. You may find it weak that my best friend, who has an
> > advanced degenerative case of MS needs both Merinol and smoked
> > Marijuana to ease the muscle spasticity and other symptoms to be able
> > to function as a normal human, but I assure you, his struggles to
> > continue functioning as a tax paying citizen and good father to three
> > children are as challenging some mornings as an Olympian struggling to
> > shave another 3/100ths of a second off their track time. You mean no
> > disrespect to him, you don't know him, and yet you flippantly dismiss
> > his pain and suffering as weakness, without ever having witnessed or
> > considered his life.
>
> > You think that the pain is good for his soul; yet, what good comes of
> > his complete inability to walk or pick up his child? This is what his
> > life is like without marijuana. Is that good for his soul, to be
> > locked in a claw fisted position on the couch?
>
> > You, like many others, make judgements about a movement that you know
> > little about. You discount the medical marijuana movement because you
> > assume that medical marijuana patients are malingerers looking for an
> > excuse to get high. Until you can get past your narrow perspective
> > which automatically associates marijuana with burnout stoner hippie,
> > you'll never be able to judge the issue fairly on its merits, or see
> > medical marijuana patients with a truly sympathetic eye. That doesn't
> > bode well for your defense attorney work... ;)
>
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > What I say and what I do are almost always two different things. :)
> > > But just because I don't practice what I preach doesn't mean that what
> > > I preach is wrong. So I wouldn't call myself a stoic, but a defender
> > > of stoicism.
>
> > > On Mar 23, 11:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> Congratulations, you're a stoic. You're in good company...Marcus
> > >> Aurelius would agree with you completely. And yes, if someone saws
> > >> your leg off without anesthetic, you will most certainly see God.
>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> > Get rid of it all. We're all a bunch of pansies. We need to go back
> > >> > to the days when they pulled teeth with pliars. Thats when men were
> > >> > MEN. :)
>
> > >> > On Mar 23, 7:22 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >> What about anesthesia for dental procedures, or surgery?
>
> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kierkecraig
> > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > Chris,
> > >> >> > I'm very unsympathetic to the marijuana apologists arguments. Their
> > >> >> > arguments always appeal to weakness. I'm of the philosophy that the
> > >> >> > only good arguments are the arguments that appeal to a position of
> > >> >> > strength. If you want a spiritual experience, why do it the easy
> > >> >> > way? Its good for the soul to have to work for something like that.
> > >> >> > And why would you want drugs to relieve you from pain? Pain is good
> > >> >> > for the soul as well. And if you don't stand in the position of
> > >> >> > defending drugs from the argument of absence from pain, or abundance
> > >> >> > of pleasure, then what argument do you have?
> > >> >> > So in sum, I disagree with the aims of drug use. (i.e. avoidance of
> > >> >> > pain, excess of pleasure) And even if I agreed with the aims, drugs
> > >> >> > don't sufficiently accomplish those aims. They end up doing more
> > >> >> > harm
> > >> >> > than good.
>
> > >> >> > On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >> I understand. I thought you were making a judgement of the tribe
> > >> >> >> itself. The New Age movement is particularly American, and for the
> > >> >> >> most part, abstains from the chemical roots of the religions that
> > >> >> >> it borrows many of its philosophies from. It's an interesting
> > >> >> >> contradiction to your accurate observation.
>
> > >> >> >> [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig
> > >> >> >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > >> >> >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0700
> > >> >> >> (PDT)Local:Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re:
> > >> >> >> Speaking of Out of Body Experiences...
>
> > >> >> >> Chris,
> > >> >> >> What I meant by perfect fit for modern america is that we are
> > >> >> >> always
> > >> >> >> looking for a quick fix. We Americans don't like to put forth
> > >> >> >> effort. I did not mean that physchodelic drugs are not ancient.
>
> > >> >> >> On Mar 22, 9:43 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is
> > >> >> >> > not a
> > >> >> >> > modern american ritual at all. These are South American
> > >> >> >> > immigrants,
> > >> >> >> > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has
> > >> >> >> > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as
> > >> >> >> > Christianity,
> > >> >> >> > perhaps two to three times as old as that.
>
> > >> >> >> > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If
> > >> >> >> > anything,
> > >> >> >> > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state"
> > >> >> >> > without
> > >> >> >> > them.
>
> > >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig
> > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you
> > >> >> >> > > don't
> > >> >> >> > > deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a
> > >> >> >> > > spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern
> > >> >> >> > > america I
> > >> >> >> > > guess.
>
> > >> >> >> > > On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> > >> >> >> > >> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice
> > >> >> >> > >> the rituals to the degree necessary to self manufacture the
> > >> >> >> > >> amounts of DMT necessary to have the "religious experience".
> > >> >> >> > >> Buddhist monks, perhaps, and some extreme branches of
> > >> >> >> > >> Catholicism who still practice flagellation. For the rest of
> > >> >> >> > >> us, a legitimately altered state of reality is not likely to
> > >> >> >> > >> occur without assistance.
>
> > >> >> >> > >> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc
> > >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12
> > >> >> >> > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye]
> > >> >> >> > >> Re: Speaking of Out of Body Experiences...
>
> > >> >> >> > >> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you
> > >> >> >> > >> tossed
> > >> >> >> > >> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget!
>
> > >> >> >> > >> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their
> > >> >> >> > >> faith in
> > >> >> >> > >> the way they see fit without interference from big brother.
>
> > >> >> >> > >> The question is, though, why do religions need to use
> > >> >> >> > >> hallucinogens if
> > >> >> >> > >> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs?
>
> > >> >> >> > >> Just a thought.
>
> > >> >> >> > >> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins
> > >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:> A Judge in Oregon has
> > >> >> >> > >> ruled that the use of Amazonian plants for the
> > >> >> >> > >> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience
> > >> >> >> > >> > is legal:
>
> > >> >> >> > >> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI...
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> > >> >> >> > >> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? DMT.- Hide
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