Gabby, that's a nice turn of phrase, but completely discounts everything I
posted, and uses loaded language which seems intended to insult. Being the fan
of Wittgenstein that you are, I've wondered if your recent bouts of
cantankerousness (with Orn and Slip) were intended to spark ire, while your
twinkling eyes watched with a giggle.
Are you trolling, Gabs?
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Speak about your own pains that make you a prostitute for delusional
substances instead of ideas, Chris. Kierke set his understanding
parameters to overstand, which is fair enough.
On 24 Mrz., 20:20, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, so you do enjoy a bit of novacaine when having molars extracted
> then...and admit that you're only being pedantic and pedagogical when
> making such broad condemnations across a vast portion of the
> population.
>
> In your defense, the "Mormons' Struggle" is part of your ideology.
> Combined with the "Salt of the Earth" hard working farmers' lifestyle,
> I would expect a hard edged outlook. However, even farmers like a good
> pint of beer and a couple of Advil after plowing the north 40. It's
> all about gradients.
>
> Winston Churchill turned to the attractive woman next to him and
> asked, "Madam, would you be convinced to sleep with me for a million
> pounds?"
>
> "A million pounds? Why, of course!" she replied.
>
> "Well then, how about ten pounds?" he asked.
>
> "Mr. Churchill! What kind of woman do you think I am?" she responded angrily.
>
> "We've already established that," he replied. "Now we're negotiating the
> price."
>
> When there are exceptions to the rule, then we have validated the fact
> that the rule is not absolute, and what constitutes an exception
> varies according to the perception of the person granting the
> exception. You may find it weak that my best friend, who has an
> advanced degenerative case of MS needs both Merinol and smoked
> Marijuana to ease the muscle spasticity and other symptoms to be able
> to function as a normal human, but I assure you, his struggles to
> continue functioning as a tax paying citizen and good father to three
> children are as challenging some mornings as an Olympian struggling to
> shave another 3/100ths of a second off their track time. You mean no
> disrespect to him, you don't know him, and yet you flippantly dismiss
> his pain and suffering as weakness, without ever having witnessed or
> considered his life.
>
> You think that the pain is good for his soul; yet, what good comes of
> his complete inability to walk or pick up his child? This is what his
> life is like without marijuana. Is that good for his soul, to be
> locked in a claw fisted position on the couch?
>
> You, like many others, make judgements about a movement that you know
> little about. You discount the medical marijuana movement because you
> assume that medical marijuana patients are malingerers looking for an
> excuse to get high. Until you can get past your narrow perspective
> which automatically associates marijuana with burnout stoner hippie,
> you'll never be able to judge the issue fairly on its merits, or see
> medical marijuana patients with a truly sympathetic eye. That doesn't
> bode well for your defense attorney work... ;)
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > What I say and what I do are almost always two different things. :)
> > But just because I don't practice what I preach doesn't mean that what
> > I preach is wrong. So I wouldn't call myself a stoic, but a defender
> > of stoicism.
>
> > On Mar 23, 11:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Congratulations, you're a stoic. You're in good company...Marcus
> >> Aurelius would agree with you completely. And yes, if someone saws
> >> your leg off without anesthetic, you will most certainly see God.
>
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Get rid of it all. We're all a bunch of pansies. We need to go back
> >> > to the days when they pulled teeth with pliars. Thats when men were
> >> > MEN. :)
>
> >> > On Mar 23, 7:22 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> What about anesthesia for dental procedures, or surgery?
>
> >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Chris,
> >> >> > I'm very unsympathetic to the marijuana apologists arguments. Their
> >> >> > arguments always appeal to weakness. I'm of the philosophy that the
> >> >> > only good arguments are the arguments that appeal to a position of
> >> >> > strength. If you want a spiritual experience, why do it the easy
> >> >> > way? Its good for the soul to have to work for something like that.
> >> >> > And why would you want drugs to relieve you from pain? Pain is good
> >> >> > for the soul as well. And if you don't stand in the position of
> >> >> > defending drugs from the argument of absence from pain, or abundance
> >> >> > of pleasure, then what argument do you have?
> >> >> > So in sum, I disagree with the aims of drug use. (i.e. avoidance of
> >> >> > pain, excess of pleasure) And even if I agreed with the aims, drugs
> >> >> > don't sufficiently accomplish those aims. They end up doing more harm
> >> >> > than good.
>
> >> >> > On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> I understand. I thought you were making a judgement of the tribe
> >> >> >> itself. The New Age movement is particularly American, and for the
> >> >> >> most part, abstains from the chemical roots of the religions that it
> >> >> >> borrows many of its philosophies from. It's an interesting
> >> >> >> contradiction to your accurate observation.
>
> >> >> >> [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig
> >> >> >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> >> >> >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0700
> >> >> >> (PDT)Local:Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking
> >> >> >> of Out of Body Experiences...
>
> >> >> >> Chris,
> >> >> >> What I meant by perfect fit for modern america is that we are always
> >> >> >> looking for a quick fix. We Americans don't like to put forth
> >> >> >> effort. I did not mean that physchodelic drugs are not ancient.
>
> >> >> >> On Mar 22, 9:43 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is
> >> >> >> > not a
> >> >> >> > modern american ritual at all. These are South American immigrants,
> >> >> >> > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has
> >> >> >> > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as Christianity,
> >> >> >> > perhaps two to three times as old as that.
>
> >> >> >> > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If anything,
> >> >> >> > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state" without
> >> >> >> > them.
>
> >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig
> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you
> >> >> >> > > don't
> >> >> >> > > deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a
> >> >> >> > > spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern
> >> >> >> > > america I
> >> >> >> > > guess.
>
> >> >> >> > > On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice
> >> >> >> > >> the rituals to the degree necessary to self manufacture the
> >> >> >> > >> amounts of DMT necessary to have the "religious experience".
> >> >> >> > >> Buddhist monks, perhaps, and some extreme branches of
> >> >> >> > >> Catholicism who still practice flagellation. For the rest of
> >> >> >> > >> us, a legitimately altered state of reality is not likely to
> >> >> >> > >> occur without assistance.
>
> >> >> >> > >> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc
> >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12
> >> >> >> > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye]
> >> >> >> > >> Re: Speaking of Out of Body Experiences...
>
> >> >> >> > >> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you
> >> >> >> > >> tossed
> >> >> >> > >> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget!
>
> >> >> >> > >> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their
> >> >> >> > >> faith in
> >> >> >> > >> the way they see fit without interference from big brother.
>
> >> >> >> > >> The question is, though, why do religions need to use
> >> >> >> > >> hallucinogens if
> >> >> >> > >> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs?
>
> >> >> >> > >> Just a thought.
>
> >> >> >> > >> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> > >> wrote:> A Judge in Oregon has ruled that the use of Amazonian
> >> >> >> > >> plants for the
> >> >> >> > >> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience is
> >> >> >> > >> > legal:
>
> >> >> >> > >> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI...
>
> >> >> >> > >> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? DMT.- Hide
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