After reading your profile I had no idea at all that you were a grandmother, but that really is not an indication that one might be old. Many of us in here are grandparents, and some young ones. Glad to see you have some extroversion to offer. Welcome aboard!
On May 4, 3:39 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be lethal.// I > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to read > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > > Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > > [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 -0700 > > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > > nature of Love? > > > Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > > On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much healing in a > > > loving touch. > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 -0700 > > > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > > > nature of Love? > > > > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? I > > > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > > > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here Vam. We all, > > > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > > > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve and > > > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those around me. I > > > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who can love in > > > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be exploited > > > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love is > > > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then moving away > > > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times when > > > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming peripheral is in > > > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, > > > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be provided > > > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace that leads > > > > the way. > > > > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important part > > > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > > > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... But, valuable > > > > > and important as they are, these are still the atmospherics. The > > > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense within > > > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' themselves, to > > > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space ' within to > > > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - discovery. > > > > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' I - space ' > > > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important to us, in > > > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or contribute to. It can > > > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > > > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > > > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, wondering if what > > > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) > > > > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as these) that > > > > > > the secret may be to only require commitment from your partner, to > > > > > > continue to freely be who you are, and expect the same from them, > > > > > > and to strive for the happy balance of compromise and acceptance in > > > > > > the places where friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align > > > > > > ourselves with partners who have drastically different life goals, > > > > > > and that's simply not possible. Other times our partners, or we > > > > > > ourselves, are in a self destructive place which is simply not > > > > > > conducive to a healthy relationship. If, however, we are both > > > > > > aligned similarly, and both committed to that goal, then a zen > > > > > > state of love, where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to > > > > > > me to be the path to a long term bliss. > > > > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort to express > > > > > > some portion of Eros energy to my partner, even if in no other form > > > > > > than text message, I've "been", in the zen sense, affirmed the > > > > > > love, made it be by being it. When that is affirmed in reply, that > > > > > > circle is completed. The actual physical expenditure of the ritual > > > > > > is miniscule, yet the effect is powerful. > > > > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important > > > > > > part of the relationship to me, which Is just one of the many ides > > > > > > of Love I inherit from my Father. He's still married to my Mom, and > > > > > > from all appearances, still in love with her in an Eros kind of > > > > > > way. :-D It's a strong archetype to have in your head of what a > > > > > > long term love can be. I can't imagine the idea of my Father being > > > > > > unfaithful to my Mom. It's inconceivable to me. > > > > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is that most > > > > > > of the wisdom about it doesn't come until our later years, and many > > > > > > of us either don't have a proper Sage around, or are a bit too damn > > > > > > fool hardy in our youths to listen if we do. > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 18:30:21 -0700 > > > > > > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is > > > > > > the nature of Love? > > > > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and leads to over- > > > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving relationship > > > > > > more > > > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us fallible humans to > > > > > > a > > > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. One can > > > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be reciprocal, though > > > > > > I'd > > > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual illusions. > > > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with some form of > > > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had been better > > > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent education > > > > > > about it. > > > > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the adhesive > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > that transforms two into one. The bond can be broken and repaired > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > it forever has the crack that remains a visible detraction and > > > > > > > possibly a perpetual doubt which can fester at anytime under > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > situations, such as out of town overnight business meetings or the > > > > > > > introduction of a past friend, literally anything can set off the > > > > > > > process of relationship erosion. I can only wish that everyone > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > find that special soul mate and live happily ever after. > > > > > > > > On May 3, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree completely about fidelity. For some, a dip in another > > > > > > > > pool provides added excitement...but for me, it cracks the > > > > > > > > foundation of the love I have, irreparably, no matter which > > > > > > > > person is to blame. Trust is key for me, and without > > > > > > > > faithfulness, there is no trust. > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 12:48:43 -0700 > > > > > > > > (PDT)Local:Sun, May 3 2009 2:48 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What > > > > > > > > is the nature of Love? > > > > > > > > > It must be Chris being that you posted twice on it, lol, thanks. > > > > > > > > > I might add that much of my feelings at this point are based on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fact that she is without exception my best friend in the world. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > monogamy issue for me is moot as I would hurt as much as she > > > > > > > > would, > > > > > > > > and mutually so. I guess in that sense the love factor reveals > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > to be the core driven emotion that keeps us together. When that > > > > > > > > emotion is present, the thought of infidelity never enters the > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > Love, being faithful, gives relationships integrity and > > > > > > > > provides a > > > > > > > > sound platform on which to continue building. Newly founded > > > > > > > > relationships or marriages are like a complete white circle that > > > > > > > > accumulates black spots for each little transgression, larger > > > > > > > > spots > > > > > > > > for more serious infractions. As time goes by the circle may > > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > more black than white and the imbalance weighs heavier on the > > > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > failure due to the loss of integrity, eventually with nothing > > > > > > > > left the > > > > > > > > relationship collapses. We can fantasize all we want about how > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > greener the grass is on the other side but truth is it takes > > > > > > > > mutual > > > > > > > > effort no matter where the grass is. I would venture to guess > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there is that one perfect soul mate relationship out there > > > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > > us to find it, that being the hardest part of it all. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 11:45 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think this is my favorite post from you ever, Slip. > > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:24:10 > > > > > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Wed, Apr 29 2009 11:24 pmSubject:[Mind's > > > > > > > > > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know that I could identify with true love anymore, > > > > > > > > > not in the > > > > > > > > > way I did 40 years ago when the heart was expendable for the > > > > > > > > > sake of > > > > > > > > > the other, when self didn't matter and all the other feelings > > > > > > > > > we have > > > > > > > > > when "Love" > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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