Aye, that would be me.  Though I've engaged countless therapists and
therapies, I've never been able to shed those feelings of
worthlessness, of always having done something wrong, of shame for who
and what I am.  Nor have I been able to undo or step outside the
strong self-destructiveness that is deep within me and still controls
many of my thoughts, words and deeds to this day.    This is why I am
live in poverty amidst the dregs of humanity today.  Deep inside I
feel this is where I belong.  It takes all my strength sometimes to
avoid taking myself out of this pathetic life.

This is not to say that I don't have times when I feel mentally
healthy and worthy of good things, but they are fleeting, constantly
being shoved aside and disregarded by other feelings which go all the
way back to my childhood which I've never been able to shed at all.
<<<gruff

Gruff
Then I would have to conclude that you had in some way found comfort
in being where you were/are and really have no need to step out of it,
save for the sake of trying to live up to some implied social value,
that we are not supposed to be "there" and if we are we should seek
help.  It may be that you should simply view the entirety of the
experience as being not only acceptable but also advantageous thereby
allowing for the dissipation of negative feelings.  There must be
countless times that you are engaged in a situation where you are
unaware that your life experience is the basis of your ability to
facilitate positive change somewhere for someone else. Analogously,
what would Moses have accomplished if he had not the enriched
upbringing and suffering of banishment in the desert?  How different
it would had been if he simply became a drunken fool in his desert
dwelling constantly reflecting on his "loss" of Egyptian entitlement.
Instead he utilized the entire experience to move forward with the
confidence and wisdom he acquired from it.
The fleeting moments of wholeness are probably a result of feeling
uncomfortable being out of the comfort zone, like cold feet moments.
Sometimes, regardless of the quality, we choose to stay within
negative areas of familiarity, where we know where we are and what to
expect.  It is something like being institutionalized for so long that
life on the outside, though representing the freedom that was dreamed
about for years, is scary and unpredictable. Perhaps you have more
going for you than most considering the freedoms that you have created
for yourself, the loosed responsibilities, fiscal, social and
familial. Some that you may have thought had it better are living in
tent cities without the amenities you are afforded.  Fact is you live
like royalty compared to the slum dogs. Don't forget the A-1









On May 11, 10:37 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> "... On May 10, 2:17 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..."
>
> > I would agree to a certain point. As a child the experiences make up
> > 98% of life and character, but as we grow and move on to different
> > experiences those early experiences become more the 80% and so on.  At
> > your age I would think that those experiences would comprise a scant
> > 1%.
>
> I only wish that were universally true, but for some -- myself
> included --  those early experiences hung on in a greater proportion.
> At 69 I still suffer from a strong self-destruct psychology
>
> > the person from their life experiences".   In my days of counseling I
> > found that those who were not able to shed their skin and walk about
> > anew were the ones who would carry the most burden, harbor the deepest
> > scars and suffer endlessly, though needlessly.
>
> Aye, that would be me.  Though I've engaged countless therapists and
> therapies, I've never been able to shed those feelings of
> worthlessness, of always having done something wrong, of shame for who
> and what I am.  Nor have I been able to undo or step outside the
> strong self-destructiveness that is deep within me and still controls
> many of my thoughts, words and deeds to this day.    This is why I am
> live in poverty amidst the dregs of humanity today.  Deep inside I
> feel this is where I belong.  It takes all my strength sometimes to
> avoid taking myself out of this pathetic life.
>
> This is not to say that I don't have times when I feel mentally
> healthy and worthy of good things, but they are fleeting, constantly
> being shoved aside and disregarded by other feelings which go all the
> way back to my childhood which I've never been able to shed at all.
>
> > Part of that
> > shedding process you should be familiar with, mainly the changing of
> > environment and all social surroundings, a spiritual awakening through
> > retreat.
>
> Though I've done a lot of environmental and social changing, I've
> always carried those debilitations with me.  I've found one can never
> run away from a problem.  We always carry them with wherever we go.
> Nor am I the only one who has never been able to step outside their
> upbringing.  I know of many who are far worse off than I and in this
> regard I consider myself to be somewhat fortunate.
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