I think these last several posts are the closest I've ever come to understanding and knowing more of the personal you. It seems I've hit on some issues that are to the point, which you acknowledge, as to the accuracy of my interpretations. At least you never been one to engage any denial. Admission is the most powerful tool of change. Couldn't you tell that the writer of the post I pulled from the thread is me? I did notice that it was a thread in which you did not participate in and I would have to say that if the thread was lacking anything it was your participation. So you say:
"Well, I suppose were I to be perfectly honest, I have rejected any which may exist, not because of their content or context but rather because they are all no more than speculation and if I'm forced to go with speculation, I'd rather rely on my own than any contrived by another. One or more of them may have it down but I suspect the true and likely unknowable answer contains parts of most of them and most of what none of them dare conceive." Thanks for being perfectly honest! You would rely on your own speculations which are no more or less contrived than that of others. Your non belief is your belief, which of course again fits into your comfort zone as others in your life are viewed as the core of your discontentment, the cause of all the bad effect. Therefore it is reasonable for you to feel apprehensive towards a reliance on the external. There is nothing wrong with that and many of us feel the same way and do not subscribe to any worldly view save our own. We are open to listening and learning about but that seems to be the end of it. I don't see you as a fruit fly but just that thought emanating from within reveals once again your less than grandiose view of your 'self'. This I see as detrimental in the sense that, as I've expressed many times, what you think is what you get. You can bring about positive change with positive thought. Did you ever hear about the hunchback who stood up straight simply because he thought he could? Do you ever think that you may come back as a great leader, a global icon who changed the world, a brilliant person who amasses great wealth or a scientist who finds the cure all for the ills of the world? Or are you always the cockroach who dies an agonizing death after getting caught in a Raid shower without an umbrella? I don't believe anything of another life to be that of random chance. I believe the condition of the soul and the advancements in knowledge and experience it has acquired in past lives contribute to the future life cycle. Primordial beginnings do not represent technological, literary and philosophical advances but simple primal instincts which carried us forward, each time gathering new understandings of the universe. Eventually some were born with an old soul (still relatively new) that had more knowledge that allowed discovery of tools, fire, speech etc. And here we are today, you and I, communicating on the world wide web, thousands of miles apart from each other, each with a soul full to near capacity with knowledge and experience. By the way gruff, you never did give back my arrowhead you stole out of my cave! Not very nice! Hey, gotta end on a laugh and also have to run now! Later! On May 16, 3:49 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > "... On May 16, 7:33 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > There is no guide or book of instructions. <<gruff > > > Are there not any or do you reject any there are? > > > I pulled this from the I Die Daily thread back last June. There are > > many worthy posts which are worth the read should you want to take the > > time or at least read the OP to get the gist of my response and the > > reference to Brian Weiss. > > Well, I suppose were I to be perfectly honest, I have rejected any > which may exist, not because of their content or context but rather > because they are all no more than speculation and if I'm forced to go > with speculation, I'd rather rely on my own than any contrived by > another. One or more of them may have it down but I suspect the true > and likely unknowable answer contains parts of most of them and most > of what none of them dare conceive. > > Regarding the I Die Daily piece about Weiss, I'm not likely to buy the > previous life theory but of all the speculation out there, it's the > one that appeals to me the most and makes the most sense. Would that > it were. But if it were, I'd like being able to return as another > species IF I had my choice which, otherwise the natural irony of the > universe would almost dictate I come back as some form of benign > insect with a 3 hour life span. A fruit fly perhaps. > > I can identify with the problems the writer has regarding his Catholic > wife and know how deep-seated that sort of upbringing can be. My own > revelation of the depths of that catholicity came to me upon seeing > The Exorcist, which pushed many theretofore unknown buttons in my > psyche. I had nightmares for weeks afterwards and would wake up in > the middle of the night and see whats-her-face's face disembodied, > contorted and spewing green vile outside my bedroom window. > > However, I've never experienced, not even remotely, anything like his > out-of-body epiphany. The closest I've ever come was the purely > mental drug-induced state brought on by taking some good quality > amanita in as near an isolation chamber environment as possible given > the layman's equipment I had available -- a darkened bathroom in a tub > full of warm salty water. > > A lot of my perceptions and beliefs are derived from the very real > fact that whenever things have been darkest with seemingly no where to > turn and no one to turn to, the only thing that was there, time after > time without fail, was my own consciousness, my sense of self, my > intimate and personal identity. No gods, no angels, no saviors, no > abiding faith in a superior being, no belief other than the very real > fact that it was solely me in possession of myself and that's all > there was -- and since I'm here telling the tale, it must have been > sufficient. > > I've always dealt in the pragmatic here and now. That's all there is > to deal with and given Santayana's sage observance that he who does > not learn his own history is doomed to repeat it, I have managed to > pull myself up out of the muck to some small degree by my own > bootstraps. > > The basis for my belief in an afterlife lies in pure science and has > nothing to do with any supernatural or religious doctrine or dogma, > but rather in the laws of conservation of energy. To me those very > laws dictate the existence of something after the death of this body. > Our energy does not simply disappear. > > I too have explored the question of why some individuals are born into > luxury and others into misery, and why this essence that is me was > born to such parents as I had and not another. After lifelong > ponderence I have come to the conclusion that there is no answer to > this worrisome and wasteful question other than the luck of the draw. > Pure random chance. > > Yet I also believe that regardless the life one is born to, each > individual's life offers the opportunity to learn what is necessary to > prepare for what lies beyond. Whether or not those lessons are taken > is up to the individual. I consider myself fortunate -- despite being > told countless times to get real -- to be among those who have > developed at least the question in my mind and heart. For if the > question is there, I believe some gleaning of the answer is > inevitable, regardless whether or not we are aware of the knowledge. > Being atheist, I have to count on such simplicities. There is nothing > else to lean on. > > As for Hitler, Dahmer, Saddam and the like, I guess regardless our > wishes and need for vengence (i.e, justice), we are simply going to > have to wait to find out. > > I'm stocked up on A-1. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
