> My experience has been that the person giving the treatment can > influence the treatment in a neg/pos way by their approach or the > words they use when giving the 'treatment'. <<<philogirl
When you say "infuence the treatment", are you really meaning "influence the results of the treatment"? and How does the approach or words they use influence the treatment? Can you expand on that a bit? They say..................your body will respond regardless of what you even say.<<<philogirl I believe that there are natural healing properties of the body that cannot be affected by a persons conscious or subconscious attitude. There are just some things that we cannot stop the body from doing on it's own. This is the dilemma in establishing the efficacy of these types of treatments ie; the actual reason healing took place. While I personally rely mostly on my own mental capacity to effect change in my world and body there are times that I will specifically seek medical care, however I rarely get ill and usually do my own xacto knife doctoring, especially if that is the procedure they will perform anyway. Doctor visits for me usually run once every 2 to 3 years, that's if I get desperate enough as was the case with the sinus infection last spring. I've been to a few chiropractors but never really felt any change other than the fluctuation of my account balance. On Aug 11, 3:38 am, philogirl <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip Disc, > I agree with your thoughts that 'to correlate muscle coordination with > spirit and free will in a healing format is just as hazy as any other > spiritual healing process'. > My experience has been that the person giving the treatment can > influence the treatment in a neg/pos way by their approach or the > words they use when giving the 'treatment'. The thinking they have is > that the 'body never lies'. They say that if you have a problem your > body will respond regardless of what you even say. > I feel this whole area of 'expertise' is one that can provide a large > scope of emotional manipulation and dare it be said, abuse of a > person's emotional life as a result. > > Am very interested in other people's thoughts on this one! > > philogirl > > On Aug 10, 6:26 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In the case of chiropractic applied kinesiology, who other than the > > practitioner can provide the care? The intent is not to send the > > patient home to perform chiropractic adjustments, self messaging etc. > > The idea of healing through motor skill is at best wishful thinking at > > this point in time. I think the mind takes the bulk of the credit in > > any situation outside medicinal application. In any placebo study the > > validity of the condition would have to be positively ascertained > > before we could attribute the change to the alternative. If the mind > > could effect change in the cure than it could effect change in the > > condition, as in bringing on the condition. A patient's anxiety > > brings about a headache, the relaxation caused by simply "knowing" > > there is help available alleviates the headache, and the patient > > thinks the practitioner did a wonderful job. To correlate muscle > > coordination with spirit and free will in a healing format is just as > > hazy as any other spiritual healing process. > > > On Aug 10, 6:37 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Again, you seem to be expecting the practitioner to do the healing for > > > you (as you think the aspirin will.) A good practitioner or doctor > > > will teach you how to maintain peak health. > > > > On Aug 9, 11:25 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Philogirl, > > > > Kinesiology is the scientific approach to analysis and healing so I > > > > think you might be referring to Applied Kinesiology which is basically > > > > a chiropractic application. There is a distinct difference. > > > > > Applied Kinesiology has recieved much criticism and is considered a > > > > pseudoscience. There is hardly any evidence to support the practice > > > > as being effective. > > > > > Studies have shown that reliance weighs heavily on the practitioner > > > > and results are simply a game of chance, there is no real proof to > > > > support it as a viable alternative. > > > > > Applied Kinesiology is interdependent with other treatments which > > > > include nutritional, manipulative adjusting and neurolymphatic and > > > > vascular messaging. > > > > > Having experience with chiropractic treatments I would have to say > > > > attributing better health to the treatments is questionable > > > > considering the lengthy term of the treatments and all the variable > > > > that occur during that time. No one goes to the chiropractor and > > > > comes out healed, it takes a considerable amount of time. However, on > > > > the other hand if I have a headache I can take an aspirin for > > > > immediate relief. > > > > > On Aug 9, 5:29 pm, philogirl <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > What about kinesiology? > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2:15 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's easy enough to test your theory, Molly. I can inject you with > > > > > > the > > > > > > chemicals which WILL alter your mood, and you can attempt to combat > > > > > > them by > > > > > > willing your mood to change the chemicals. > > > > > > > How can the mood exist outside of the chemicals? The mood IS the > > > > > > chemicals. > > > > > > Neurochemistry is not some dark and unexplored science. There is > > > > > > much > > > > > > research available. Here's a good start > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?call=bv.View..ShowTOC&rid=b... > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Molly Brogan > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > While chemical balance is one part of our "health," claiming that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > the entire picture is a very narrow focus. You seem to be > > > > > > > presenting > > > > > > > the premise that our chemical balance produces our mood. I > > > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > that our mood effects our chemical balance. Quackery and juju > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > both ways, and simply can't get away with it anymore may also > > > > > > > apply to > > > > > > > an outdated medical model. The paradigm of science itself is > > > > > > > changing, although mainstream is slow to catch up. > > > > > > > > Orn, you did mean posters and not posers, I take it. Very funny. > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 4:32 pm, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The body can heal itself; this is not a revelation, it does this > > > > > > > > continuously, every day, with the production of new cells. The > > > > > > > > operating > > > > > > > > factor and scope for variability, and there is only one, is the > > > > > > > > chemical > > > > > > > > balance of the body in question. Mood is part of this. > > > > > > > > > Why try to dress this up with quackery and juju? You simply > > > > > > > > can't get > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > with it any more. > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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