Ash, I'm 60 years old, our children are adults with children and so I can't respond to how home schooling is going except for friends I know who are engaging the concept and doing quite well.
On Feb 2, 11:58 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > We are considering home schooling, if it can be made feasible and > overcome the social aspects. Our concern was the general > glorified-babysitting, lack of involvement with the subjects and guided > chosen-study. Not to blame the teachers, they don't choose the > headcount. I agree with your reasons Slip, and Orn's too (I've seen > examples, yeesh). > > We might choose a decent public school, and contribute what we can by > voicing opinions and taking interest in the education. Many don't have > the option of choice though, I would have certainly preferred tutoring > until highschool. > > To venture a little, how is homeschooling going? Or did you mean > hypothetically. > > On 2/2/2010 11:22 PM, Slip Disc wrote: > > > The simplistic comment is based on a simplistic observation, one that > > simplistically determines my decision to not send my kid off to public > > school when I have the right to better educate my child at home. You > > can extrapolate volumes of complexities from the issue but the > > simplicity remains; as long as there is the possibility that my child > > will receive a less that adequate education from a public school I > > should have the right to intervene. Therefore the option of home > > schooling should remain as an alternative to public education. The > > real issue is government dictating what people should do with their > > children, I don't even think they should force me to wear a seat > > belt. The more rights we relinquish to government the less rights we > > will have. We're not that far from dictatorship as it stands. > > > On Feb 2, 7:32 am, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Many Public Schools have been turning out idiots, kids that can't > >> read > >> or read at a poor level. Kids can enhance their socialization skills > >> in extra curricular activities, sports events and other social > >> functions. Home schooled children are not isolated prisoners > >> confined > >> to parental control. SD > > >> I have no doubt about the reading ability or lack thereof of some kids > >> whether the cause is innate, a lack of ability, ADD caused, diet > >> caused or just due to lack of interest whether taught in public, > >> private or home schools. In fact, I am a good example of a failed > >> experiment in a teaching method for both reading and spelling from > >> back in the 40s and 50s. So, first hand, I know the result. However, I > >> do not attribute this issue to a nonsectarian education vs a sectarian > >> one nor do I see any reason to do so unless perhaps the recent trend > >> in a lack of willingness to support the general welfare. > > >> So yet again, the issues are much more complex than many wish to see. > >> Simplistic comments like Slip s first sentence while pointing towards > >> a possible fact (difficult to tell its veracity), in truth says little > >> to nothing about cause/effect just unexamined opinion. And, I agree > >> about socialization skills being available in almost any place and/or > >> type of interaction. However, yet again, isolating kids from public > >> contact with a wider range of people than what is normal for the > >> fundamentalist family seems to have obvious consequences. > > >> At first, I wasn t sure of the reason for the links provided in fact, > >> I m still not positive. However, I m glad they were given. If > >> anything, they support my aversion to such treatment of kids similar > >> to the current day view against imposing faith healing on kids is seen > >> as being abuse. Both are founded on non-secular tenets and all too > >> often result in the sort of fanaticism that has been railed against > >> here at ME by many, Slip included. A simple quote from one of the > >> links, from one Tim Echols may be instructive: > > >> Spiritually, TeenPact teaches Biblical principles of government and > >> family, going hand-in-hand with the values of families who > >> participate. It is very important that our young people see that > >> spiritual revival is the answer to America's problems - not politics. > >> We teach students that every Christian must pray and vote according to > >> Biblical principles . -http://www.teenpact.com/ > > >> If anything, this sort of thinking is divisive rather than unifying. > >> And, with little imagination the flaws in such an approach can be > >> seen. Further, the links shared along with other resources I ve > >> examined over the years expose the litigious and sectarian view(s) not > >> only imbedded within such groups but that are at the very core of the > >> entire movement. > > >> No, most kids are not isolated prisoners, true. However, most kids who > >> are forced into sectarian education , being too na ve to know better > >> let alone wise enough, powerful enough or savvy enough to fight > >> parental control in such situations, I suggest are being brainwashed > >> in an even more disastrous way than those who are educated by the > >> state at least here in the USA. And we aren t even talking about what > >> sort of health care they may be receiving without public scrutiny or > >> support nor other associated issues yet. The term Madrasah comes to > >> mind. > > >> On Feb 2, 1:28 am, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp > > >>>http://www.hslda.org/legislation/state/default.asp > > >>>http://www.hslda.org/orgs/default.asp > > >>> Many Public Schools have been turning out idiots, kids that can't read > >>> or read at a poor level. Kids can enhance their socialization skills > >>> in extra curricular activities, sports events and other social > >>> functions. Home schooled children are not isolated prisoners confined > >>> to parental control. > > >>> On Feb 1, 9:52 pm, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Any thoughts? fran > > >>>> Yes fran I have a few although don t claim lucidity for this topic. > >>>> First, my gut as the US started to fully embrace what euphemistically > >>>> is called home schooling said that it was a mistake. In other > >>>> words, without much analysis, my intuition is against it. There are a > >>>> few thoughts wafting across my mind that says parents should > >>>> absolutely have the right to organize and deliver the education for > >>>> their own children especially when there is concern about the bias > >>>> being imposed by a governmentally run educational system. Yet, should > >>>> such parents have some sort of standardized education and teaching > >>>> ability themselves? It would seem appropriate too. Yet, if so, who > >>>> would make such a determination the same government they fear for > >>>> whatever reason? In the specific case, being prejudiced against > >>>> fundamentalism in general and most manifestations of Christianity in > >>>> particular, I believe that the children are being abused in that they > >>>> will be handed beliefs in a sort of nepotism just reinforcing > >>>> whatever blind beliefs and/or ignorance the specific family has. > >>>> Whereas, in a public educational environment, since most that I am > >>>> familiar with are influenced by all aspects of society from the PTA to > >>>> governmental directives, resulting in a more homogeneous and well > >>>> rounded set of instructions. Of course, in most cases, I would guess > >>>> that there will be little instruction in how to think or use logic so > >>>> what we are talking about in general is training, right? So, what sort > >>>> of information and abilities should be imparted? I m sure many have > >>>> their own views. I m not sure about it myself. As a kid, it all seemed > >>>> natural the topics were well rounded and included everything from the > >>>> arts and civics to local, state, country and world history to > >>>> languages and maths and well mostly standard stuff. Although these > >>>> days in the US, as I understand it, there is precious little imparted > >>>> about civics let alone about music, art and dance. Even physical > >>>> education seems to be declining perhaps. In all cases, for a societal > >>>> input and support for the general good when it comes to education, > >>>> funding is needed. Today, too many of the rich wish to keep their > >>>> money for personal usage rather than for the common good as I see it. > >>>> Whew!...guess my soap box came out I ll take a breath. > > >>>> Overall, in my youth, there were both public schools and religious > >>>> schools. Parents had a choice between them and apparently didn t need > >>>> to home school. I do understand that for a long time there have been > >>>> people who assign a higher value to what they see as god s law, > >>>> adoration and instruction than is assigned to that of the state. > >>>> Somehow, I don t remember this being a problem for the first few > >>>> decades of my life all seemed to go along fairly well. Somehow, by no > >>>> accident I s posit, there has been an increase in religious influence > >>>> when it comes to what used to be nonsectarian issues, education > >>>> included. Of course, I just may have been ignorant. > > >>>> Overall, in Germany and the US I d personally prefer kids to receive a > >>>> good, well rounded and well funded education and do away with home > >>>> schooling. My guess is that if this were done in even more > >>>> fundamentalist and religious societies/countries, there would be a > >>>> little less polarization not sure, just a guess again. > > >>>> Of course, we haven t discussed other options and I m sure there are > >>>> ME members with em .Neil comes to mind. Personally, I d add a little > >>>> of the Socratic method to education more even than testing covers. > > >>>> Well, this is most likely worth what you pay for it!....you asked I > >>>> answered. > > >>>> On Feb 1, 9:52 am, frantheman<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> A German > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
