"...In either case it is not the usual procedure in the public cookie cutter educational systems." - SD
Well, on occasion it does exist...and, IF such procliaties are recognized...even by parents...I just don't see the problem with additional adjunct education/training/teaching. On Feb 3, 1:42 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn, the dichotomies in assessments of homeschooling may be endless so > there must be a greater preponderance placed upon parental ability to > not only administer sufficient academic curriculum but also discern > which curriculum is suitable to the academic advancement of the > children, eg; some children are geared to excel in specific study. > One may increase a child's scientific study should there be a > significant indication of proficiency compared to another adept in > mathematics. In either case it is not the usual procedure in the > public cookie cutter educational systems. > > On Feb 3, 8:58 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…my decision to not send my kid off to public school when I have the > > right to better educate my child at home….” – SD > > > Yet another aspect of the complexity associated with the topic is the > > oversimplistic bifurcation involved. ‘Forever’ the kids who have been > > publically educated have received additional instruction, help and > > indoctrination from parents and friends. So, it is in no way an either/ > > or issue. If one is concerned with how “Johnny Reads”…spend some time > > helping. What else is imparted in the public forum is worth that > > choice. Even if one wishes to evangelize…there is nor has been > > anything stopping parents from so doing…along with sending their kids > > to public school. For the general good, it appears to be preferable. > > Public schooling has been the cornerstone of our democracy in fact…yet > > again, that Islamic term for school arises…. > > > On Feb 2, 8:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The simplistic comment is based on a simplistic observation, one that > > > simplistically determines my decision to not send my kid off to public > > > school when I have the right to better educate my child at home. You > > > can extrapolate volumes of complexities from the issue but the > > > simplicity remains; as long as there is the possibility that my child > > > will receive a less that adequate education from a public school I > > > should have the right to intervene. Therefore the option of home > > > schooling should remain as an alternative to public education. The > > > real issue is government dictating what people should do with their > > > children, I don't even think they should force me to wear a seat > > > belt. The more rights we relinquish to government the less rights we > > > will have. We're not that far from dictatorship as it stands. > > > > On Feb 2, 7:32 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “Many Public Schools have been turning out idiots, kids that can't > > > > read > > > > or read at a poor level. Kids can enhance their socialization skills > > > > in extra curricular activities, sports events and other social > > > > functions. Home schooled children are not isolated prisoners > > > > confined > > > > to parental control.” – SD > > > > > I have no doubt about the reading ability or lack thereof of some kids… > > > > whether the cause is innate, a lack of ability, ADD caused, diet > > > > caused or just due to lack of interest…whether ‘taught’ in public, > > > > private or ‘home’ schools. In fact, I am a good example of a failed > > > > experiment in a teaching method for both reading and spelling from > > > > back in the 40s and 50s. So, first hand, I know the result. However, I > > > > do not attribute this issue to a nonsectarian education vs a sectarian > > > > one nor do I see any reason to do so…unless perhaps the recent trend > > > > in a lack of willingness to support the general welfare. > > > > > So yet again, the issues are much more complex than many wish to see. > > > > Simplistic comments like Slip’s first sentence while pointing towards > > > > a possible fact (difficult to tell its veracity), in truth says little > > > > to nothing about cause/effect…just unexamined opinion. And, I agree > > > > about socialization skills being available in almost any place and/or > > > > type of interaction. However, yet again, isolating kids from public > > > > contact with a wider range of people than what is ‘normal’ for the > > > > fundamentalist family seems to have obvious consequences. > > > > > At first, I wasn’t sure of the reason for the links provided…in fact, > > > > I’m still not positive. However, I’m glad they were given. If > > > > anything, they support my aversion to such treatment of kids…similar > > > > to the current day view against imposing faith healing on kids is seen > > > > as being abuse. Both are founded on non-secular tenets and all too > > > > often result in the sort of fanaticism that has been railed against > > > > here at ME by many, Slip included. A simple quote from one of the > > > > links, from one Tim Echols may be instructive: > > > > > “…Spiritually, TeenPact teaches Biblical principles of government and > > > > family, going hand-in-hand with the values of families who > > > > participate. It is very important that our young people see that > > > > spiritual revival is the answer to America's problems - not politics. > > > > We teach students that every Christian must pray and vote according to > > > > Biblical principles….” -http://www.teenpact.com/ > > > > > If anything, this sort of thinking is divisive rather than unifying. > > > > And, with little imagination the flaws in such an approach can be > > > > seen. Further, the links shared along with other resources I’ve > > > > examined over the years expose the litigious and sectarian view(s) not > > > > only imbedded within such groups but that are at the very core of the > > > > entire movement. > > > > > No, most kids are not isolated prisoners, true. However, most kids who > > > > are forced into sectarian ‘education’, being too naïve to know better > > > > let alone wise enough, powerful enough or savvy enough to fight > > > > parental control in such situations, I suggest are being brainwashed > > > > in an even more disastrous way than those who are educated by the > > > > state…at least here in the USA. And we aren’t even talking about what > > > > sort of health care they may be receiving without public scrutiny or > > > > support nor other associated issues yet. The term Madrasah comes to > > > > mind. > > > > > On Feb 2, 1:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp > > > > > >http://www.hslda.org/legislation/state/default.asp > > > > > >http://www.hslda.org/orgs/default.asp > > > > > > Many Public Schools have been turning out idiots, kids that can't read > > > > > or read at a poor level. Kids can enhance their socialization skills > > > > > in extra curricular activities, sports events and other social > > > > > functions. Home schooled children are not isolated prisoners confined > > > > > to parental control. > > > > > > On Feb 1, 9:52 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > “…Any thoughts?” – fran > > > > > > > Yes fran…I have a few although don’t claim lucidity for this topic. > > > > > > First, my gut as the US started to fully embrace what > > > > > > euphemistically > > > > > > is called ‘home schooling’ said that it was a mistake. In other > > > > > > words, without much analysis, my intuition is against it. There > > > > > > are a > > > > > > few thoughts wafting across my mind that says parents should > > > > > > absolutely have the right to organize and deliver the education for > > > > > > their own children especially when there is concern about the bias > > > > > > being imposed by a governmentally run educational system. Yet, > > > > > > should > > > > > > such parents have some sort of standardized education and teaching > > > > > > ability themselves? It would seem appropriate too. Yet, if so, who > > > > > > would make such a determination…the same government they fear for > > > > > > whatever reason? In the specific case, being prejudiced against > > > > > > fundamentalism in general and most manifestations of Christianity in > > > > > > particular, I believe that the children are being abused in that > > > > > > they > > > > > > will be handed beliefs in a sort of nepotism …just reinforcing > > > > > > whatever blind beliefs and/or ignorance the specific family has. > > > > > > Whereas, in a public educational environment, since most that I am > > > > > > familiar with are influenced by all aspects of society from the PTA > > > > > > to > > > > > > governmental directives, resulting in a more homogeneous and well > > > > > > rounded set of instructions. Of course, in most cases, I would guess > > > > > > that there will be little instruction in how to think or use logic > > > > > > so > > > > > > what we are talking about in general is training, right? So, what > > > > > > sort > > > > > > of information and abilities should be imparted? I’m sure many have > > > > > > their own views. I’m not sure about it myself. As a kid, it all > > > > > > seemed > > > > > > natural …the topics were well rounded and included everything from > > > > > > the > > > > > > arts and civics to local, state, country and world history to > > > > > > languages and maths and…well…mostly standard stuff. Although these > > > > > > days in the US, as I understand it, there is precious little > > > > > > imparted > > > > > > about civics let alone about music, art and dance. Even physical > > > > > > education seems to be declining …perhaps. In all cases, for a > > > > > > societal > > > > > > input and support for the general good when it comes to education, > > > > > > funding is needed. Today, too many of the rich wish to keep their > > > > > > money for personal usage rather than for the common good…as I see > > > > > > it. > > > > > > Whew!...guess my soap box came out…I’ll take a breath. > > > > > > > Overall, in my youth, there were both public schools and religious > > > > > > schools. Parents had a choice between them and apparently didn’t > > > > > > need > > > > > > to home school. I do understand that for a long time there have been > > > > > > people who assign a higher value to what they see as god’s law, > > > > > > adoration and instruction than is assigned to that of the state. > > > > > > Somehow, I don’t remember this being a > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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