Well I am not so sure about that .. it was called to my attention of the Jews out in the desert and the Golden calf.. it seemed God or Moses had a little problem with that issue.. and it seems to me that capitalism leads to the dance and worship of the golden calf. Allan
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:58 PM, pol.science kid <[email protected]>wrote: > Oh yeah.. they say the capitalist way is the sure way to heaven..and thats > the path they preach to the comparatively new baby countries that are > undecided on their path... > > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 5:36 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Founded in capitalism? Did God write up the founding theory for >> economics too? Is that what they teach you at school? >> >> On 17 Jun., 02:41, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hey Archy. Good seein' you around too. >> > >> > Capital didn't mysteriously vanish. Real capital is durable. Bubbles >> > create faux capital which of course disappears when the bubble pops >> > because it never had anything to it to begin with. No substance. No >> > reality. Never Never Land. A pinch of pixie dust. >> > >> > Nor am I saying or implying that socialism is the alternative to >> > capitalism. A healthy robust free market economic system founded in >> > capitalism can certainly produce sufficient profits to create not only >> > new capital but to also take care of the basic needs of all it's >> > citizens so they may be free to be innovative, creative or just plain >> > lazy if they so wish. A work ethic is not the standard by which >> > someone gets to live or die. Nor is there any rule or principle >> > which dictates that a healthy democratic society can be self- >> > sustaining for all it's citizens. A society does not need every >> > member's active participation in order to be healthy, wealthy, wise >> > and compassionate. Quite frequently a few can carry the load for a >> > large number of others. Besides, what do we do with the ones deemed >> > non-self-sustaining? Find a humane and compassionate way to get rid >> > of them? >> > >> > On Jun 15, 5:04 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > I've never been happy with the term capitalism; some bustard always >> > > seems to want us to forget notions of building it up and protecting >> > > capital in favour of magic wand tricks done by accountants - with the >> > > capital mysteriously vanishing from our grasp and use. Equally unhappy >> > > that socialism is an alternative. Freedom under democratic respect in >> > > societies that can sustain themselves is more where I see us going if >> > > we have any sense. Good to see you about Gruff. >> > >> > > On 15 June, 19:14, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Vam, if you were not espousing the paranoia of world domination >> > > > conspiracy theories, then may I suggest that when you send someone >> to >> > > > a conspiracy website, that you set that parameter up front else a >> > > > person might get suspicious you were of the nature and espousing the >> > > > message of that site. >> > >> > > > I'm not defensive about it. I've just been on the merry-go-round >> with >> > > > conspiracists in the past and to be truthful I've gotten tired of >> > > > their irrational paranoia. There are more than sufficient real >> > > > problems in the world to want not to deal with unwarranted and >> > > > emotional paranoia as well. >> > >> > > > I also don't agree that the point of the alternate view was as you >> > > > describe it. I can agree with your description but that was not >> what >> > > > the site was about -- at least to my perception. It's a paranoid >> > > > conspiracy website that wants to duck and cover from those who >> > > > allegedly wish to control the world. Maybe you were able to pick >> the >> > > > little good out of what was said. I must have missed it. >> > >> > > > I also agree with your new rules for global capitalism in that they >> > > > will include a lot of socialist agendas -- as they should. I'm >> fairly >> > > > certain we will wind up with a blend of socialism and capitalism >> with >> > > > the latter supporting the former -- again as it should. But we must >> > > > be careful that the support of socialist goals does not drown the >> > > > capitalist free market system. >> > >> > > > On Jun 15, 12:18 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > " Vam, I'm sorry but I think you're seeing conspiracies in the >> > > > > mirror." >> > >> > > > > This is one reason why we signed off last time, Gruff ! You >> really >> > > > > don't know what I'm seeing. The link I posted was just that : a >> link >> > > > > to some descriptions of what the capital and market processes >> actually >> > > > > involve. If it makes you defensive, as what you write seems to >> > > > > indicate, it isn't really on me ... >> > >> > > > > The point in the alternate view was that ... it's the same ' feet >> of >> > > > > clay ' story, with obvious greed and power at work. We've all >> lived >> > > > > with it, and know that ' small mind ' capitalism is what is >> causing >> > > > > this disruption cycle of pain and waste. We now also know that we >> can >> > > > > now aim to establish ' large - mind - universal - empathy ' >> > > > > capitalism, that is more sustainable, honest and transparent, and >> > > > > mutually respecting of life everywhere. That recognises... ' >> excesses, >> > > > > like accidents, are forever imminent but entirely undesirable and >> > > > > completely avoidable.' That will not only accept moderation as a >> great >> > > > > and critically important value, but are actually wedded to doing >> > > > > everything to ensure ' moral profits,' healthy competition,' and ' >> > > > > productive power of capital and its democratised availability.' >> > > > > Capital may continue to be marshalled by and placed in the >> judgement >> > > > > of individuals, but capital will henceforth be social assets, free >> of >> > > > > its origins in greed and its power purged of frankenstein aspects. >> > >> > > > > The new rules of global capitalism would include a lot of >> socialistic >> > > > > goals and values, Gruff ! It's an awakening that has just begun to >> > > > > happen.My call to all linear thinking capitalists and socialists, >> and >> > > > > the others, is ... step up, and embrace it. >> > >> > > > > On Jun 15, 1:29 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Sorry Gabby. Couldn't do that trip. Along with a major fear of >> > > > > > heights, I can't breathe well at altitudes over 5,000 ft. >> However, I >> > > > > > have experienced a monkish environment here in the high deserts >> of >> > > > > > the Southwest. Very healthful, mentally and spiritually. >> > >> > > > > > Vam, I'm sorry but I think you're seeing conspiracies in the >> mirror. >> > > > > > Jekyll island is in Glynn County, Georgia and while it is an >> island in >> > > > > > the Atlantic Ocean it's not as isolated as the piece implies. >> It's >> > > > > > part of the U.S. and can be reached by rowboat, causeway or >> plane. It >> > > > > > has a golf club and a few resorts. And yes, Jekyll Island >> resorts >> > > > > > drew the elite for a number of centuries and it is a great part >> of our >> > > > > > history. It is also the place where the wealth elite gathered >> to plan >> > > > > > out a global economy that was not tied to gold but rather based >> on the >> > > > > > actual value of a nation's production and consumption. It was >> the >> > > > > > precursor to Bretton Woods. Now if you want to get into >> conspiracy >> > > > > > theories, Bretton Woods has spawned far more than Jekyll Island. >> It's >> > > > > > just that Jekyll Island has a much spookier name and thus gets >> more >> > > > > > press. >> > > > > -- > \--/ Peace > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
