For some it is the struggle to survive rather than strive.//You might want to acqaint yourself with Thomas Hardy- an early influence- esp. his "Tess of the D'Ubervilles" and "Jude the Obscure".//American Democracy lures immigrants with freedom but materialism suffocates them with greed and envy despite their often good nature and generosity.//I do think it presumptuous to decide God's plan for our lives- there are too many surprises along the way. Plus our innate nature can be corrupted in several ways. Adam and Eve wound up dysfunctional- look at Cain and Abel!
Have wounded a thumb slicing a potato on the mandolin (a kitchen tool). Difficult to type and surf. :-( On Nov 19, 4:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > The " I " is self-sense which is just a reflection of the Self or God. Our > will is totally bound by nature , when we strive and struggle it is because > of our innate nature which was given to us. The effect is always a result of > the cause and not vice versa. > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > RP Singh. > > > So it is not you then? What is you? When people say that we can > > achive via the application of our will what does this mean? > > > There is I think in all of us a sense of 'Self''. What then is this > > Self? > > > On Nov 18, 5:01 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > " My " or " will " is the agent of Nature and is bound by It though > > seeming > > > to be free. > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:36 PM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > RP Singh, > > > > > I agree we are all products of our enviroments, I cannot cease to have > > > > dark hair even if I wished, but I can choose to apply some dye to it. > > > > > You used the word 'MY' quiet a lot in your response to me, along with > > > > the word 'WILL'. If you have no choice then what is this will you > > > > speak of? Who's will is it, how do you Will to strive? > > > > > On Nov 18, 3:19 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As a new-born I had a short or long nose , blue or black eyes , > > blonde or > > > > > black hair, or a white or black complexion------------ was it > > determined > > > > by > > > > > me , no it was in my genes. I was not responsible for my genes and > > > > whoever > > > > > else was responsible but I was bound to them. Similarly my reason was > > > > sharp > > > > > or dull , my imagination was keen or dull , my grasping power was > > good > > > > or > > > > > otherwise -- all such things were due to my genes. The environment in > > > > which > > > > > I was born was not of my making , yet it acted and reacted on me and > > I > > > > acted > > > > > and reacted to it. My personality which eventually developed was a > > result > > > > of > > > > > this interaction and my will to strive , to improve myself , to learn > > > > > ----was innate in me and not of my own making. So if these things > > were > > > > not > > > > > in my hands I can say that I am bound even though seeming to be free. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Ohh how I disagree with this. > > > > > > > It is clear that who we are, our very personalities are made from > > not > > > > > > only our experiances but our enviroment. Are we really not free > > > > > > though to make of ourselves something other than what we are? > > > > > > > Yes yes of course we are. The key is understanding, if we can > > > > > > understand what in our lives has made us 'Us' then we can surly > > > > > > change in any mannor we wish. Of course this must be true or > > things > > > > > > like cognative therapy would just not work. > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 3:29 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Man is bound by his actions and bound to his experiences. > > Whatever > > > > > > > actions have to be done man is bound by them , as also whatever > > > > > > > experiences he undergoes he is bound to them. People say > > marriages > > > > are > > > > > > > made in heaven , I say every action and every experience is > > destined > > > > > > > in heaven. In big things we are able to accept bondage but in > > small > > > > > > > things we think we are free , we are able to accept the > > importance of > > > > > > > our genes as also our environment , but our reason finds it hard > > to > > > > > > > understand and accept complete bondage.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
