What you choose to do and what you don't depends upon the way your brain is functioning , if you are nuts God help me and if you are frustrated and want to prove your point then also let God have pity upon me. What I mean to say Allan is that you are under the control of your nature and that part of you which strives to change and do is innate in you , in other words just as much a part of your nature.
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:53 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > RP I have been lost as to what you are arguing there are some laws you can > not change, but those laws are like thing example the speed of light,, > but even that can be changed some what. I think what every one is talking > about is the freedom of choice is in the nature of my taking my browning > high power and deciding to airiate your head by putting several round > through it. For me to do that would be totally of my choice. Now the only > genetic part of it is that I am very capable of doing it and have had the > training to develop the skills in handling the weapon. > What keeps me from doing it is I choose not to. You can always find some > argument to fit your view but when you are staring down the business end it > stops being illusionary and you start praying the holder is not nuts. > Allan > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We are the agents and therefore do everything which gives a false notion >> of freedom , but actually whatever we do it is by God given Nature. Our >> personality is an outcome of the interaction of our genetic makeup with the >> environment , both of which are in the hands of nature. Our will to strive , >> to control , to improve is innate in us and is therefore genetic in nature. >> It is all a chain , one thing leads to another which gives us a false notion >> of independence because our independence is dependent on so many factors , >> some of which are under our control but that control is illusory as it is >> due to the chain. The end result must be seen in the perspective of the >> previous causative factors. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We just have different ideas about this and that's okay. I think we >>> also participate in our own corruption- often- but it is easier to >>> blame others or the situation. Our innate nature at birth is one of >>> potential and quite dependent on a multitude of factors. I do not >>> blame God nor think Him malevolent as we have free will within the >>> constuct of Determinism- an unsolveable. The brain can trump Nature, >>> in my opinion though we are bound. >>> >>> On Nov 20, 8:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > A man's innate nature is corrupted by others and that is not in one's >>> hands. >>> > Nature from inside and outside a person determines all actions, so >>> whatever >>> > happens it is ultimately God's will and there is nothing presumptuous >>> in >>> > accepting and recognizing that. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > For some it is the struggle to survive rather than strive.//You might >>> > > want to acqaint yourself with Thomas Hardy- an early influence- esp. >>> > > his "Tess of the D'Ubervilles" and "Jude the Obscure".//American >>> > > Democracy lures immigrants with freedom but materialism suffocates >>> > > them with greed and envy despite their often good nature and >>> > > generosity.//I do think it presumptuous to decide God's plan for our >>> > > lives- there are too many surprises along the way. Plus our innate >>> > > nature can be corrupted in several ways. Adam and Eve wound up >>> > > dysfunctional- look at Cain and Abel! >>> > >>> > > Have wounded a thumb slicing a potato on the mandolin (a kitchen >>> > > tool). Difficult to type and surf. :-( >>> > >>> > > On Nov 19, 4:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > The " I " is self-sense which is just a reflection of the Self or >>> God. >>> > > Our >>> > > > will is totally bound by nature , when we strive and struggle it is >>> > > because >>> > > > of our innate nature which was given to us. The effect is always a >>> result >>> > > of >>> > > > the cause and not vice versa. >>> > >>> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, [email protected] < >>> > >>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > RP Singh. >>> > >>> > > > > So it is not you then? What is you? When people say that we can >>> > > > > achive via the application of our will what does this mean? >>> > >>> > > > > There is I think in all of us a sense of 'Self''. What then is >>> this >>> > > > > Self? >>> > >>> > > > > On Nov 18, 5:01 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > " My " or " will " is the agent of Nature and is bound by It >>> though >>> > > > > seeming >>> > > > > > to be free. >>> > >>> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:36 PM, [email protected]< >>> > >>> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > RP Singh, >>> > >>> > > > > > > I agree we are all products of our enviroments, I cannot >>> cease to >>> > > have >>> > > > > > > dark hair even if I wished, but I can choose to apply some >>> dye to >>> > > it. >>> > >>> > > > > > > You used the word 'MY' quiet a lot in your response to me, >>> along >>> > > with >>> > > > > > > the word 'WILL'. If you have no choice then what is this >>> will you >>> > > > > > > speak of? Who's will is it, how do you Will to strive? >>> > >>> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 3:19 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > As a new-born I had a short or long nose , blue or black >>> eyes , >>> > > > > blonde or >>> > > > > > > > black hair, or a white or black complexion------------ was >>> it >>> > > > > determined >>> > > > > > > by >>> > > > > > > > me , no it was in my genes. I was not responsible for my >>> genes >>> > > and >>> > > > > > > whoever >>> > > > > > > > else was responsible but I was bound to them. Similarly my >>> reason >>> > > was >>> > > > > > > sharp >>> > > > > > > > or dull , my imagination was keen or dull , my grasping >>> power >>> > > was >>> > > > > good >>> > > > > > > or >>> > > > > > > > otherwise -- all such things were due to my genes. The >>> > > environment in >>> > > > > > > which >>> > > > > > > > I was born was not of my making , yet it acted and reacted >>> on me >>> > > and >>> > > > > I >>> > > > > > > acted >>> > > > > > > > and reacted to it. My personality which eventually >>> developed was >>> > > a >>> > > > > result >>> > > > > > > of >>> > > > > > > > this interaction and my will to strive , to improve myself >>> , to >>> > > learn >>> > > > > > > > ----was innate in me and not of my own making. So if these >>> things >>> > > > > were >>> > > > > > > not >>> > > > > > > > in my hands I can say that I am bound even though seeming >>> to be >>> > > free. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM, >>> [email protected] < >>> > >>> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > Ohh how I disagree with this. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > It is clear that who we are, our very personalities are >>> made >>> > > from >>> > > > > not >>> > > > > > > > > only our experiances but our enviroment. Are we really >>> not >>> > > free >>> > > > > > > > > though to make of ourselves something other than what we >>> are? >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > Yes yes of course we are. The key is understanding, if >>> we can >>> > > > > > > > > understand what in our lives has made us 'Us' then we >>> can >>> > > surly >>> > > > > > > > > change in any mannor we wish. Of course this must be >>> true or >>> > > > > things >>> > > > > > > > > like cognative therapy would just not work. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 3:29 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > Man is bound by his actions and bound to his >>> experiences. >>> > > > > Whatever >>> > > > > > > > > > actions have to be done man is bound by them , as also >>> > > whatever >>> > > > > > > > > > experiences he undergoes he is bound to them. People >>> say >>> > > > > marriages >>> > > > > > > are >>> > > > > > > > > > made in heaven , I say every action and every >>> experience is >>> > > > > destined >>> > > > > > > > > > in heaven. In big things we are able to accept bondage >>> but in >>> > > > > small >>> > > > > > > > > > things we think we are free , we are able to accept the >>> > > > > importance of >>> > > > > > > > > > our genes as also our environment , but our reason >>> finds it >>> > > hard >>> > > > > to >>> > > > > > > > > > understand and accept complete bondage.- Hide quoted >>> text - >>> > >>> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > Be Paranoid. > God is always building a better idiot!!! >
