There you are wrong RP my nature sez pull the trigger (Why I was never allowed to play the bad guy..)my not doing it is against my nature. Allan
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > What you choose to do and what you don't depends upon the way your brain is > functioning , if you are nuts God help me and if you are frustrated and want > to prove your point then also let God have pity upon me. What I mean to say > Allan is that you are under the control of your nature and that part of you > which strives to change and do is innate in you , in other words just as > much a part of your nature. > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:53 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > >> RP I have been lost as to what you are arguing there are some laws you >> can not change, but those laws are like thing example the speed of >> light,, but even that can be changed some what. I think what every one is >> talking about is the freedom of choice is in the nature of my taking my >> browning high power and deciding to airiate your head by putting several >> round through it. For me to do that would be totally of my choice. Now the >> only genetic part of it is that I am very capable of doing it and have had >> the training to develop the skills in handling the weapon. >> What keeps me from doing it is I choose not to. You can always find some >> argument to fit your view but when you are staring down the business end it >> stops being illusionary and you start praying the holder is not nuts. >> Allan >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We are the agents and therefore do everything which gives a false notion >>> of freedom , but actually whatever we do it is by God given Nature. Our >>> personality is an outcome of the interaction of our genetic makeup with the >>> environment , both of which are in the hands of nature. Our will to strive , >>> to control , to improve is innate in us and is therefore genetic in nature. >>> It is all a chain , one thing leads to another which gives us a false notion >>> of independence because our independence is dependent on so many factors , >>> some of which are under our control but that control is illusory as it is >>> due to the chain. The end result must be seen in the perspective of the >>> previous causative factors. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> We just have different ideas about this and that's okay. I think we >>>> also participate in our own corruption- often- but it is easier to >>>> blame others or the situation. Our innate nature at birth is one of >>>> potential and quite dependent on a multitude of factors. I do not >>>> blame God nor think Him malevolent as we have free will within the >>>> constuct of Determinism- an unsolveable. The brain can trump Nature, >>>> in my opinion though we are bound. >>>> >>>> On Nov 20, 8:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > A man's innate nature is corrupted by others and that is not in one's >>>> hands. >>>> > Nature from inside and outside a person determines all actions, so >>>> whatever >>>> > happens it is ultimately God's will and there is nothing presumptuous >>>> in >>>> > accepting and recognizing that. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > For some it is the struggle to survive rather than strive.//You >>>> might >>>> > > want to acqaint yourself with Thomas Hardy- an early influence- esp. >>>> > > his "Tess of the D'Ubervilles" and "Jude the Obscure".//American >>>> > > Democracy lures immigrants with freedom but materialism suffocates >>>> > > them with greed and envy despite their often good nature and >>>> > > generosity.//I do think it presumptuous to decide God's plan for our >>>> > > lives- there are too many surprises along the way. Plus our innate >>>> > > nature can be corrupted in several ways. Adam and Eve wound up >>>> > > dysfunctional- look at Cain and Abel! >>>> > >>>> > > Have wounded a thumb slicing a potato on the mandolin (a kitchen >>>> > > tool). Difficult to type and surf. :-( >>>> > >>>> > > On Nov 19, 4:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > The " I " is self-sense which is just a reflection of the Self or >>>> God. >>>> > > Our >>>> > > > will is totally bound by nature , when we strive and struggle it >>>> is >>>> > > because >>>> > > > of our innate nature which was given to us. The effect is always a >>>> result >>>> > > of >>>> > > > the cause and not vice versa. >>>> > >>>> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, [email protected] < >>>> > >>>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > > RP Singh. >>>> > >>>> > > > > So it is not you then? What is you? When people say that we >>>> can >>>> > > > > achive via the application of our will what does this mean? >>>> > >>>> > > > > There is I think in all of us a sense of 'Self''. What then is >>>> this >>>> > > > > Self? >>>> > >>>> > > > > On Nov 18, 5:01 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > > > " My " or " will " is the agent of Nature and is bound by It >>>> though >>>> > > > > seeming >>>> > > > > > to be free. >>>> > >>>> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:36 PM, [email protected]< >>>> > >>>> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > RP Singh, >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > I agree we are all products of our enviroments, I cannot >>>> cease to >>>> > > have >>>> > > > > > > dark hair even if I wished, but I can choose to apply some >>>> dye to >>>> > > it. >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > You used the word 'MY' quiet a lot in your response to me, >>>> along >>>> > > with >>>> > > > > > > the word 'WILL'. If you have no choice then what is this >>>> will you >>>> > > > > > > speak of? Who's will is it, how do you Will to strive? >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 3:19 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > As a new-born I had a short or long nose , blue or black >>>> eyes , >>>> > > > > blonde or >>>> > > > > > > > black hair, or a white or black complexion------------ >>>> was it >>>> > > > > determined >>>> > > > > > > by >>>> > > > > > > > me , no it was in my genes. I was not responsible for my >>>> genes >>>> > > and >>>> > > > > > > whoever >>>> > > > > > > > else was responsible but I was bound to them. Similarly my >>>> reason >>>> > > was >>>> > > > > > > sharp >>>> > > > > > > > or dull , my imagination was keen or dull , my grasping >>>> power >>>> > > was >>>> > > > > good >>>> > > > > > > or >>>> > > > > > > > otherwise -- all such things were due to my genes. The >>>> > > environment in >>>> > > > > > > which >>>> > > > > > > > I was born was not of my making , yet it acted and reacted >>>> on me >>>> > > and >>>> > > > > I >>>> > > > > > > acted >>>> > > > > > > > and reacted to it. My personality which eventually >>>> developed was >>>> > > a >>>> > > > > result >>>> > > > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > > this interaction and my will to strive , to improve myself >>>> , to >>>> > > learn >>>> > > > > > > > ----was innate in me and not of my own making. So if these >>>> things >>>> > > > > were >>>> > > > > > > not >>>> > > > > > > > in my hands I can say that I am bound even though seeming >>>> to be >>>> > > free. >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM, >>>> [email protected] < >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > Ohh how I disagree with this. >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > > It is clear that who we are, our very personalities are >>>> made >>>> > > from >>>> > > > > not >>>> > > > > > > > > only our experiances but our enviroment. Are we really >>>> not >>>> > > free >>>> > > > > > > > > though to make of ourselves something other than what we >>>> are? >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > > Yes yes of course we are. The key is understanding, if >>>> we can >>>> > > > > > > > > understand what in our lives has made us 'Us' then we >>>> can >>>> > > surly >>>> > > > > > > > > change in any mannor we wish. Of course this must be >>>> true or >>>> > > > > things >>>> > > > > > > > > like cognative therapy would just not work. >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 3:29 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > Man is bound by his actions and bound to his >>>> experiences. >>>> > > > > Whatever >>>> > > > > > > > > > actions have to be done man is bound by them , as also >>>> > > whatever >>>> > > > > > > > > > experiences he undergoes he is bound to them. People >>>> say >>>> > > > > marriages >>>> > > > > > > are >>>> > > > > > > > > > made in heaven , I say every action and every >>>> experience is >>>> > > > > destined >>>> > > > > > > > > > in heaven. In big things we are able to accept bondage >>>> but in >>>> > > > > small >>>> > > > > > > > > > things we think we are free , we are able to accept >>>> the >>>> > > > > importance of >>>> > > > > > > > > > our genes as also our environment , but our reason >>>> finds it >>>> > > hard >>>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > understand and accept complete bondage.- Hide quoted >>>> text - >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> > >>>> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> > >>>> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> > >>>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> Be Paranoid. >> God is always building a better idiot!!! >> > > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
