Well RP I am who I am. and I have evolved over the years and I have the freedom to respond as I choose not as my nature would have it. Yes God is in my life but not in the terms you want to put down. RP are you a politician by some chance? Why because you seem to be twisting ideas and words into something tha is not there. Oh well there is little use to deal with a political mentality Allan
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:30 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > The will that makes you act against your apparent nature is your innate > nature. All that you strive for , the controls you exercise , and the > efforts you make is your innate nature. The doer in you is a slave of your > nature and your will is a tool of your nature whether apparent or innate. > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:05 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > >> There you are wrong RP my nature sez pull the trigger (Why I was never >> allowed to play the bad guy..)my not doing it is against my nature. >> Allan >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What you choose to do and what you don't depends upon the way your brain >>> is functioning , if you are nuts God help me and if you are frustrated and >>> want to prove your point then also let God have pity upon me. What I mean to >>> say Allan is that you are under the control of your nature and that part of >>> you which strives to change and do is innate in you , in other words just as >>> much a part of your nature. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:53 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> RP I have been lost as to what you are arguing there are some laws you >>>> can not change, but those laws are like thing example the speed of >>>> light,, but even that can be changed some what. I think what every one is >>>> talking about is the freedom of choice is in the nature of my taking my >>>> browning high power and deciding to airiate your head by putting several >>>> round through it. For me to do that would be totally of my choice. Now the >>>> only genetic part of it is that I am very capable of doing it and have had >>>> the training to develop the skills in handling the weapon. >>>> What keeps me from doing it is I choose not to. You can always find some >>>> argument to fit your view but when you are staring down the business end it >>>> stops being illusionary and you start praying the holder is not nuts. >>>> Allan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are the agents and therefore do everything which gives a false >>>>> notion of freedom , but actually whatever we do it is by God given Nature. >>>>> Our personality is an outcome of the interaction of our genetic makeup >>>>> with >>>>> the environment , both of which are in the hands of nature. Our will to >>>>> strive , to control , to improve is innate in us and is therefore genetic >>>>> in >>>>> nature. It is all a chain , one thing leads to another which gives us a >>>>> false notion of independence because our independence is dependent on so >>>>> many factors , some of which are under our control but that control is >>>>> illusory as it is due to the chain. The end result must be seen in the >>>>> perspective of the previous causative factors. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We just have different ideas about this and that's okay. I think we >>>>>> also participate in our own corruption- often- but it is easier to >>>>>> blame others or the situation. Our innate nature at birth is one of >>>>>> potential and quite dependent on a multitude of factors. I do not >>>>>> blame God nor think Him malevolent as we have free will within the >>>>>> constuct of Determinism- an unsolveable. The brain can trump Nature, >>>>>> in my opinion though we are bound. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 20, 8:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > A man's innate nature is corrupted by others and that is not in >>>>>> one's hands. >>>>>> > Nature from inside and outside a person determines all actions, so >>>>>> whatever >>>>>> > happens it is ultimately God's will and there is nothing >>>>>> presumptuous in >>>>>> > accepting and recognizing that. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > For some it is the struggle to survive rather than strive.//You >>>>>> might >>>>>> > > want to acqaint yourself with Thomas Hardy- an early influence- >>>>>> esp. >>>>>> > > his "Tess of the D'Ubervilles" and "Jude the Obscure".//American >>>>>> > > Democracy lures immigrants with freedom but materialism suffocates >>>>>> > > them with greed and envy despite their often good nature and >>>>>> > > generosity.//I do think it presumptuous to decide God's plan for >>>>>> our >>>>>> > > lives- there are too many surprises along the way. Plus our innate >>>>>> > > nature can be corrupted in several ways. Adam and Eve wound up >>>>>> > > dysfunctional- look at Cain and Abel! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Have wounded a thumb slicing a potato on the mandolin (a kitchen >>>>>> > > tool). Difficult to type and surf. :-( >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > On Nov 19, 4:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > The " I " is self-sense which is just a reflection of the Self >>>>>> or God. >>>>>> > > Our >>>>>> > > > will is totally bound by nature , when we strive and struggle it >>>>>> is >>>>>> > > because >>>>>> > > > of our innate nature which was given to us. The effect is always >>>>>> a result >>>>>> > > of >>>>>> > > > the cause and not vice versa. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, [email protected] < >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > RP Singh. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > So it is not you then? What is you? When people say that we >>>>>> can >>>>>> > > > > achive via the application of our will what does this mean? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > There is I think in all of us a sense of 'Self''. What then >>>>>> is this >>>>>> > > > > Self? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > On Nov 18, 5:01 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > > " My " or " will " is the agent of Nature and is bound by It >>>>>> though >>>>>> > > > > seeming >>>>>> > > > > > to be free. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:36 PM, >>>>>> [email protected] < >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > > > RP Singh, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > I agree we are all products of our enviroments, I cannot >>>>>> cease to >>>>>> > > have >>>>>> > > > > > > dark hair even if I wished, but I can choose to apply some >>>>>> dye to >>>>>> > > it. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > You used the word 'MY' quiet a lot in your response to me, >>>>>> along >>>>>> > > with >>>>>> > > > > > > the word 'WILL'. If you have no choice then what is this >>>>>> will you >>>>>> > > > > > > speak of? Who's will is it, how do you Will to strive? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 3:19 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > > > > As a new-born I had a short or long nose , blue or black >>>>>> eyes , >>>>>> > > > > blonde or >>>>>> > > > > > > > black hair, or a white or black complexion------------ >>>>>> was it >>>>>> > > > > determined >>>>>> > > > > > > by >>>>>> > > > > > > > me , no it was in my genes. I was not responsible for my >>>>>> genes >>>>>> > > and >>>>>> > > > > > > whoever >>>>>> > > > > > > > else was responsible but I was bound to them. Similarly >>>>>> my reason >>>>>> > > was >>>>>> > > > > > > sharp >>>>>> > > > > > > > or dull , my imagination was keen or dull , my grasping >>>>>> power >>>>>> > > was >>>>>> > > > > good >>>>>> > > > > > > or >>>>>> > > > > > > > otherwise -- all such things were due to my genes. The >>>>>> > > environment in >>>>>> > > > > > > which >>>>>> > > > > > > > I was born was not of my making , yet it acted and >>>>>> reacted on me >>>>>> > > and >>>>>> > > > > I >>>>>> > > > > > > acted >>>>>> > > > > > > > and reacted to it. My personality which eventually >>>>>> developed was >>>>>> > > a >>>>>> > > > > result >>>>>> > > > > > > of >>>>>> > > > > > > > this interaction and my will to strive , to improve >>>>>> myself , to >>>>>> > > learn >>>>>> > > > > > > > ----was innate in me and not of my own making. So if >>>>>> these things >>>>>> > > > > were >>>>>> > > > > > > not >>>>>> > > > > > > > in my hands I can say that I am bound even though >>>>>> seeming to be >>>>>> > > free. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM, >>>>>> [email protected] < >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Ohh how I disagree with this. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > It is clear that who we are, our very personalities >>>>>> are made >>>>>> > > from >>>>>> > > > > not >>>>>> > > > > > > > > only our experiances but our enviroment. Are we >>>>>> really not >>>>>> > > free >>>>>> > > > > > > > > though to make of ourselves something other than what >>>>>> we are? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Yes yes of course we are. The key is understanding, >>>>>> if we can >>>>>> > > > > > > > > understand what in our lives has made us 'Us' then we >>>>>> can >>>>>> > > surly >>>>>> > > > > > > > > change in any mannor we wish. Of course this must be >>>>>> true or >>>>>> > > > > things >>>>>> > > > > > > > > like cognative therapy would just not work. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 3:29 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Man is bound by his actions and bound to his >>>>>> experiences. >>>>>> > > > > Whatever >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > actions have to be done man is bound by them , as >>>>>> also >>>>>> > > whatever >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > experiences he undergoes he is bound to them. People >>>>>> say >>>>>> > > > > marriages >>>>>> > > > > > > are >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > made in heaven , I say every action and every >>>>>> experience is >>>>>> > > > > destined >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > in heaven. In big things we are able to accept >>>>>> bondage but in >>>>>> > > > > small >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > things we think we are free , we are able to accept >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > > > importance of >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > our genes as also our environment , but our reason >>>>>> finds it >>>>>> > > hard >>>>>> > > > > to >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > understand and accept complete bondage.- Hide quoted >>>>>> text - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ( >>>> ) >>>> I_D Allan >>>> >>>> Be Paranoid. >>>> God is always building a better idiot!!! >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> Be Paranoid. >> God is always building a better idiot!!! >> > > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
