> "Edward when dealing with the encoded language of prophecy it becomes very > easy to twist it to what the interpreter wants it to say."
This I understand and agree with, Allan. What concerns me is your statement: >"I am more > intersted in Know God as I understand him" > > Sounds to > me you want to get a concept of God and then understand that concept. I don't > know if that's possible. I think that in order to be able to start tryiing to > conceive God as in an image one would have to be able to see across several > billion light-years. Left without that ability, I received some other > abilities in this regard; the gift to relate to YHVH, mainly. Something to > fear, without doubt! Yet to attempt to put what I know into any type image, > leaves a type of paralys. 'Where to start? With what?' There's too much to > start with and not enough of anything. More importantly, it would be in > violation to attempt to form the image or likeness of anything in > heaven.(Because of the injustice one would be forced to render in such > effort, for one thing) When I read LEVITICUS 26 chapter, the warnings of not > getting it right, then read the prophecies and Revelation, I read the same > warnings in more detail. Now to put that with what I see every day, in > religiously related views and beliefs, and the problems of this whole big > mess, it's understandable why. What proved to be so amazing is the fact that > what I had been in search for as God, was with me all along.Remembering today > dreams I had when I was around 4 years of age. ( I had been near death, if > not dead.) Some things that I saw I didn't even read about until well into my > 40s. I say these things to you not in effort to drill you with my ideas, > ways, or beliefs, but rather as caution for you not to over-look some vital > peice(s). Seems to me that the correlation between the prophecies and the > present state of the world is distinct. > > Edward > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:37 am, iam deheretic > <[email protected]> wrote: > Edward when dealing with the encoded language of prophecy it becomes very > easy to twist it to what the interpreter wants it to say. > All that I have ever seen in prophecy is a bunch of finger pointing or > rambling mumble jumble that anything can be read into.. > > *It is for these very* reasons I find prophecy of little interest I am more > intersted in Know God as I understand him than knowing the future. > Allan > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:02 AM, edward mason <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > "When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier > > > than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is > > easier > > > to distort and shape into what you want it to say." > > > What I find very interesting > > in this regard is the fact that the "coded language" of the prophets is so > > closely related to the language of dreams, it's hard to find a line that > > seperates the two, if there is, indeed, a point of seperation between them. > > One thing that I know as a fact, is that during the course of dreams, one > > may received more than simply instructions for living. At that rate, there > > are directions, standards (moral and legal), warnings, and so on for daily > > living found in the prophecies. I also see that the different prophecies say > > a lot of the same things, particuliarly, regarding the destruction and the > > end, but in different ways; much like re- phrasing a sentence. This is where > > the Words of God come alive, and live; they sound the same no matter where > > they are written. As we learn, we learn that the Words of God may not even > > be in words, but in feeling, still sound the same as the WORDS. The > > recognition is always there, as far as I can Tell. > > Edward > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:07 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > DW of course there are similarities.. religious belief influence > > religious > > > beliefs both Judaism and Jesus had a great deal of influence on Islam. > > > > When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier > > > than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is > > easier > > > to distort and shape into what you want it to say. Fortunately prophecy > > has > > > little to do with day to day living and a whole lot to do with pointing > > > fingers. To me threats and pointing fingers has little or nothing to do > > with > > > spirituality. I also think that the excessive use ff prophecy is what > > > drives more people from the real good and value in beliefs. > > > > The great Chinese Philosopher Confucius one said "To be in the presents > > of > > > one's God is to be in heaven." > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> That is what is so interesting for me, Allan, that it's > > >> interpretations are are so similar and what can be read can be so very > > >> different. When I look at the interpretation that Edward provides it > > >> is vastly different from what I read from it and what interpretations > > >> I have heard. Of course, the bit that Pat provides I have heard before > > >> and in comparing the speech patterns and writing styles there can be > > >> some sense of order and relationship between religions. The two > > >> religions (Judaism and Islam) being so closely related, this should > > >> not come as a surprise! The common ground it provides is, > > >> unfortunately, often viewed as religious difference rather than a > > >> foundation for building good relations. Taking the book of Isaiah as > > >> the perfect example, that is. > > > >> On Nov 28, 7:06 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Edward that goes to prove people will read what they want to in what > > >> > they > > >> > read. I reread Isaiah just to recall it.. It has not changed since i > > >> > first > > >> > read it,, just a book of prophcy with very little value to me > > >> > spiritually > > >> > which leaves me in a difficult problem. I see no value to it in > > living > > >> > a > > >> > daily spiritual life. Day to day living is what a (spiritual) life is > > >> > all > > >> > about. > > >> > Now on the other hand prophecy is great for those who want to appear > > to > > >> > be > > >> > spiritually wise as they can take bits and pieces and twist it to > > mold > > >> > say > > >> > anything they want to say and read into it anything they want to read. > > > >> > With no poisonous snakes on Malta we know that Saul of Tarsus was > > never > > >> > bitten by a poison snake therefore he could never have been > > miraculously > > >> > healed, making the story a lie.. because it is a lie it leaves all > > >> > other > > >> > stories told about him suspect. > > >> > As for Saul laying the foundation another would build on that is > > true,, > > >> > but > > >> > that does not make the foundation one of truth ,, remember the > > >> > foundation > > >> > he laid is built on a lie simple as it may be.. leaving the whole > > >> > structure > > >> > suspect. > > > >> > Son's of God is a whole different question,, but all men and women > > even > > >> > the > > >> > bad ones are son's of YHVH including the ones that are considered evil > > >> > or > > >> > bad depending how you view it. I have my own point of view on that > > >> > subject > > >> > too. > > >> > Allan > > > >> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, pathfinder > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> > > So then the vision of the barbarian was true, Saul was of the same > > >> > > nature as the snake; ( Prophecy: Just has Moses raised the serpent > > in > > >> > > the wilderness, so shall the son of man be raised in the last days. > > >> > > But the healing was for those who had been bitten by sepents). > > Perhaps > > >> > > the miracle asspect was God making him the blind servant. Remember > > >> > > Paul said that he laid the foundation, and another would build > > >> > > thereon. Paul laid the foundation that Jesus was a savior for the > > >> > > world, while Jesus said that he came to bring the sword. Paul said > > >> > > that he was blinded along his path, and received his sight after he > > >> > > agreed to do what Jesus had told him to do in that meeeting. Now > > >> > > history shows that the foundation that Paul laid was the one that > > >> > > Jesus said would be the Son's ( For as many that do the will of YHVH > > >> > > are the Son's of YHVH ), whose inheritance was taken after they had > > >> > > killed him. And ofcourse, Isaiah talked about the blind servant, > > >> > > tampering with the laws of God. > > >> > > I am working on the > > >> > > writing. > > >> > > Edward > > >> > > On Nov 23, 11:49 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Edward Saul's the validity of Saul of Taurus teachings are > > >> > > > predicated by > > >> > > the > > >> > > > miracle healing of Saul by God, making him a teacher chosen by > > God, > > >> > > > the > > >> > > > problem the lies simply in the fact there are no poisonous snakes > > on > > >> > > Malta > > >> > > > which really creates a problem with the validity of Saul's > > teachings > > >> > > > especially when you have lie in the very foundation > > >> > > > Have fun figuring that one out.. how do you erase the deciet? > > >> > > > Allan > > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:58 PM, pathfinder > > >> > > > <[email protected] > > >> > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > What lead you to think that I can type? > > >> > > > > Lazzy? > > >> > > > > Paul (Saul; Centurian)>...Imagine living in an environment where > > >> > > > > certain citizens are respected as gods, in a very real sense. > > >> > > > > However, > > >> > > > > The setting is the Age of the Sun god, Ra., Egyptian. ( Solar > > >> > > > > Cult)... > > >> > > > > The barbarrians had not evolved from the cult before it, but > > they > > >> > > > > had > > >> > > > > the basic principles. The principles had not changed, only the > > way > > >> > > > > they were applied. This means that there were people that could > > >> > > > > see. > > >> > > > > Wherefore, the story tells the way the vision was revealed and > > >> > > > > what > > >> > > > > was revealed about Paul. The serpent had varied interpretations > > >> > > > > from > > >> > > > > both mythologies: from representing wisdom, to the initator, the > > >> > > > > dragon, death, so on. If one make a biological examination, then > > >> > > > > take > > >> > > > > the results to the bigger picture of the prophecies, they will > > get > > >> > > > > faster results in that understanding, I think. I love the Hebrew > > >> > > > > language; the letters of the alphabet make statements before you > > >> > > > > can > > >> > > > > even put them together to make a word! I see that the seer was > > >> > > > > looking > > >> > > > > at Paul being the venom that would spread over the nations. The > > >> > > > > seer > > >> > > > > saw it, but it's not clear whether he understood it The remark > > >> > > > > about > > >> > > > > Paul being god could be related to the fact that he was > > >> > > > > centurian.... > > >> > > > > Wish I knew the language! > > >> > > > > On Nov 23, 11:18 am, pathfinder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > I'm looking at it. > > > >> > > > > > On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > You are funny Edward, I wonder if you know what is in your > > own > > >> > > heart > > >> > > > > much > > >> > > > > > > less what is in th heart of others. As for standards there > > >> > > > > > > are > > >> > > many > > >> > > > > > > standards, each person is their own judge. from your > > writings > > >> > > > > > > you > > >> > > claim > > >> > > > > to > > >> > > > > > > have the standards of christian dogma and doctrine which you > > >> > > > > > > want > > >> > > to > > >> > > > > shove > > >> > > > > > > off on everyone else. > > >> > > > > > > Edward Edward Edward if you are dealing with anyone you need > > >> > > > > > > to > > >> > > have > > >> > > > > your > > >> > > > > > > reservations tailored by caution and accuracy. You will find > > >> > > > > > > we > > >> > > tend > > >> > > > > not to > > >> > > > > > > attack people around > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
