"When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier
> than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is easier
> to distort and shape into what you want it to say."
>
> What I find very interesting in
> this regard is the fact that the "coded language" of the prophets is so
> closely related to the language of dreams, it's hard to find a line that
> seperates the two, if there is, indeed, a point of seperation between them.
> One thing that I know as a fact, is that during the course of dreams, one may
> received more than simply instructions for living. At that rate, there are
> directions, standards (moral and legal), warnings, and so on for daily living
> found in the prophecies. I also see that the different prophecies say a lot
> of the same things, particuliarly, regarding the destruction and the end, but
> in different ways; much like re- phrasing a sentence. This is where the Words
> of God come alive, and live; they sound the same no matter where they are
> written. As we learn, we learn that the Words of God may not even be in
> words, but in feeling, still sound the same as the WORDS. The recognition is
> always there, as far as I can Tell.
Edward
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:07 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> DW of course there are similarities.. religious belief influence religious
> beliefs both Judaism and Jesus had a great deal of influence on Islam.
>
> When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier
> than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is easier
> to distort and shape into what you want it to say. Fortunately prophecy has
> little to do with day to day living and a whole lot to do with pointing
> fingers. To me threats and pointing fingers has little or nothing to do with
> spirituality. I also think that the excessive use ff prophecy is what
> drives more people from the real good and value in beliefs.
>
> The great Chinese Philosopher Confucius one said "To be in the presents of
> one's God is to be in heaven."
> Allan
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> That is what is so interesting for me, Allan, that it's
>> interpretations are are so similar and what can be read can be so very
>> different. When I look at the interpretation that Edward provides it
>> is vastly different from what I read from it and what interpretations
>> I have heard. Of course, the bit that Pat provides I have heard before
>> and in comparing the speech patterns and writing styles there can be
>> some sense of order and relationship between religions. The two
>> religions (Judaism and Islam) being so closely related, this should
>> not come as a surprise! The common ground it provides is,
>> unfortunately, often viewed as religious difference rather than a
>> foundation for building good relations. Taking the book of Isaiah as
>> the perfect example, that is.
>>
>> On Nov 28, 7:06 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Edward that goes to prove people will read what they want to in what
>> > they
>> > read. I reread Isaiah just to recall it.. It has not changed since i
>> > first
>> > read it,, just a book of prophcy with very little value to me
>> > spiritually
>> > which leaves me in a difficult problem. I see no value to it in living
>> > a
>> > daily spiritual life. Day to day living is what a (spiritual) life is
>> > all
>> > about.
>> > Now on the other hand prophecy is great for those who want to appear to
>> > be
>> > spiritually wise as they can take bits and pieces and twist it to mold
>> > say
>> > anything they want to say and read into it anything they want to read.
>> >
>> > With no poisonous snakes on Malta we know that Saul of Tarsus was never
>> > bitten by a poison snake therefore he could never have been miraculously
>> > healed, making the story a lie.. because it is a lie it leaves all
>> > other
>> > stories told about him suspect.
>> > As for Saul laying the foundation another would build on that is true,,
>> > but
>> > that does not make the foundation one of truth ,, remember the
>> > foundation
>> > he laid is built on a lie simple as it may be.. leaving the whole
>> > structure
>> > suspect.
>> >
>> > Son's of God is a whole different question,, but all men and women even
>> > the
>> > bad ones are son's of YHVH including the ones that are considered evil
>> > or
>> > bad depending how you view it. I have my own point of view on that
>> > subject
>> > too.
>> > Allan
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, pathfinder
>> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>> >
>> > > So then the vision of the barbarian was true, Saul was of the same
>> > > nature as the snake; ( Prophecy: Just has Moses raised the serpent in
>> > > the wilderness, so shall the son of man be raised in the last days.
>> > > But the healing was for those who had been bitten by sepents). Perhaps
>> > > the miracle asspect was God making him the blind servant. Remember
>> > > Paul said that he laid the foundation, and another would build
>> > > thereon. Paul laid the foundation that Jesus was a savior for the
>> > > world, while Jesus said that he came to bring the sword. Paul said
>> > > that he was blinded along his path, and received his sight after he
>> > > agreed to do what Jesus had told him to do in that meeeting. Now
>> > > history shows that the foundation that Paul laid was the one that
>> > > Jesus said would be the Son's ( For as many that do the will of YHVH
>> > > are the Son's of YHVH ), whose inheritance was taken after they had
>> > > killed him. And ofcourse, Isaiah talked about the blind servant,
>> > > tampering with the laws of God.
>> > > I am working on the
>> > > writing.
>> > > Edward
>> > > On Nov 23, 11:49 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > Edward Saul's the validity of Saul of Taurus teachings are
>> > > > predicated by
>> > > the
>> > > > miracle healing of Saul by God, making him a teacher chosen by God,
>> > > > the
>> > > > problem the lies simply in the fact there are no poisonous snakes on
>> > > Malta
>> > > > which really creates a problem with the validity of Saul's teachings
>> > > > especially when you have lie in the very foundation
>> > > > Have fun figuring that one out.. how do you erase the deciet?
>> > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:58 PM, pathfinder
>> > > > <[email protected]
>> > > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > What lead you to think that I can type?
>> > > > > Lazzy?
>> > > > > Paul (Saul; Centurian)>...Imagine living in an environment where
>> > > > > certain citizens are respected as gods, in a very real sense.
>> > > > > However,
>> > > > > The setting is the Age of the Sun god, Ra., Egyptian. ( Solar
>> > > > > Cult)...
>> > > > > The barbarrians had not evolved from the cult before it, but they
>> > > > > had
>> > > > > the basic principles. The principles had not changed, only the way
>> > > > > they were applied. This means that there were people that could
>> > > > > see.
>> > > > > Wherefore, the story tells the way the vision was revealed and
>> > > > > what
>> > > > > was revealed about Paul. The serpent had varied interpretations
>> > > > > from
>> > > > > both mythologies: from representing wisdom, to the initator, the
>> > > > > dragon, death, so on. If one make a biological examination, then
>> > > > > take
>> > > > > the results to the bigger picture of the prophecies, they will get
>> > > > > faster results in that understanding, I think. I love the Hebrew
>> > > > > language; the letters of the alphabet make statements before you
>> > > > > can
>> > > > > even put them together to make a word! I see that the seer was
>> > > > > looking
>> > > > > at Paul being the venom that would spread over the nations. The
>> > > > > seer
>> > > > > saw it, but it's not clear whether he understood it The remark
>> > > > > about
>> > > > > Paul being god could be related to the fact that he was
>> > > > > centurian....
>> > > > > Wish I knew the language!
>> > > > > On Nov 23, 11:18 am, pathfinder <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > > I'm looking at it.
>> >
>> > > > > > On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > You are funny Edward, I wonder if you know what is in your own
>> > > heart
>> > > > > much
>> > > > > > > less what is in th heart of others. As for standards there
>> > > > > > > are
>> > > many
>> > > > > > > standards, each person is their own judge. from your writings
>> > > > > > > you
>> > > claim
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > have the standards of christian dogma and doctrine which you
>> > > > > > > want
>> > > to
>> > > > > shove
>> > > > > > > off on everyone else.
>> > > > > > > Edward Edward Edward if you are dealing with anyone you need
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > have
>> > > > > your
>> > > > > > > reservations tailored by caution and accuracy. You will find
>> > > > > > > we
>> > > tend
>> > > > > not to
>> > > > > > > attack people around here but rather ideas and concepts: and
>> > > > > > > all
>> > > ideas
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > > concepts are free game if you are hung up on one be warned
>> > > > > > > your
>> > > > > feelings
>> > > > > > > will be hurt simple because you take things to personally.
>> >
>> > > > > > > assessment? that one is easy read your very first document
>> > > > > > > that you
>> > > > > > > presented to this group.
>> > > > > > > Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc
>> > > > > > > I am to lazy to retype it. this is very typical of
>> > > > > > > funnymentalist
>> > > > > thinking.
>> > > > > > > or what every you want to call them, this is according to you
>> > > > > > > your
>> > > > > great
>> > > > > > > document of enlightenment. and according to them they are all
>> > > > > > > on
>> > > the
>> > > > > narrow
>> > > > > > > path and very few are on the path.. You do not know how many
>> > > > > > > times
>> > > I
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > been told that. What you see as narrow I see as broad and wide
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > many
>> > > > > > > people on the path. Now as for the actual path you are on I
>> > > > > > > really
>> > > > > don't
>> > > > > > > know and which is more I am really do not know,, and I do not
>> > > > > > > know
>> > > you
>> > > > > well
>> > > > > > > enough to make a judgment..
>> >
>> > > > > > > When are you going to give your response to the poisonous
>> > > > > > > snake
>> > > biting
>> > > > > Saul
>> > > > > > > of Taurus on Malta?
>> >
>> > > > > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:48 AM, pathfinder <
>> > > [email protected]
>> > > > > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > The sellection of the children as an example was for what
>> > > > > > > > would
>> > > seem,
>> > > > > > > > obvious reason. By age 1 the nature seem fully functional
>> > > > > > > > and
>> > > seem to
>> > > > > > > > gain it's greatest outside influence around age 3. It had
>> > > > > > > > nothing
>> > > to
>> > > > > > > > do with anyone's physical abilities or
>> > > > > > > > disabilities.
>> > > > > > > > > One thing that consistantly prevails in most of your
>> > > > > > > > > messages
>> > > to
>> > > > > > > > me , is that you come with two different standards; i.e.,
>> > > > > > > > one for
>> > > you
>> > > > > > > > and one for me. By those for you, you are allowed to give
>> > > > > > > > your
>> > > > > opinion
>> > > > > > > > freely of me and my views. The one issued for me requires
>> > > > > > > > that my
>> > > > > > > > opinion of you must be taylored by caution and
>> > > > > > > > accurracy
>> > > > > > > > >While I base my opinion of you on the contents that I see
>> > > emitted
>> > > > > > > > from the seat of your heart. In your statement "....your
>> > > generalities
>> > > > > > > > that you have arrived at from your teachings of
>> > > > > > > > christianity",
>> > > show
>> > > > > me
>> > > > > > > > the ground for such an
>> > > > > > > > assessment.
>> > > > > > > > >What I prefer in socialization is that each individual
>> > > > > > > > > maintain
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > > self-governed standards acceptable to each. One standard
>> > > > > > > > should
>> > > be
>> > > > > > > > that if I do it to you, you are justified in doing it to me.
>> > > >I
>> > > > > > > > see the road that I'm on to be narrow and few travelers
>> > > > > > > > theron,
>> > > for
>> > > > > > > > now.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 12:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Edward one of the absolutes of the world is if you states
>> > > > > > > > > if
>> > > > > something is
>> > > > > > > > an
>> > > > > > > > > absolute you will be absolutely wrong. Don't put me in
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > catagory that
>> > > > > > > > > you see yourself in. One thing is you do not know me or
>> > > > > > > > > who I
>> > > am
>> > > > > until
>> > > > > > > > you
>> > > > > > > > > do leave me out of your generalities that you have arrived
>> > > > > > > > > at
>> > > from
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > teachings of christianity.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > As far as children go, I have been fixed and have no
>> > > > > > > > > intention
>> > > of
>> > > > > > > > bringing
>> > > > > > > > > children into this world, and for good reasons, unlike you
>> > > > > > > > > I
>> > > have
>> > > > > several
>> > > > > > > > > great grand children. Your ideas are not original but
>> > > > > > > > > concepts
>> > > that
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > been passed on for many generation.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > You have a long way to grow in spirituality a long way
>> > > > > > > > > that is
>> > > not
>> > > > > easy.
>> > > > > > > > > According to your beliefs the road to predation is wide
>> > > > > > > > > and
>> > > many
>> > > > > chose
>> > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > follow it, from what I have read of your writing I would
>> > > > > > > > > guess
>> > > you
>> > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > > somewhere on that wide road.
>> > > > > > > > > Allan
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM, pathfinder <
>> > > > > [email protected]
>> > > > > > > > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > > I am saying that the heart of man aka your heart, my
>> > > > > > > > > > heart,
>> > > and
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > hearts of all are set towards survival, gratification,
>> > > pleasure,
>> > > > > > > > > > curiousity, thrill, etc. We must learn to bring the
>> > > > > > > > > > heart
>> > > into
>> > > > > > > > > > conformity. Out of an instinct to survive, gratify,
>> > > > > > > > > > enjoy or
>> > > > > whatever
>> > > > > > > > > > the caes may be, I, you, man, woman, we do what we think
>> > > > > > > > > > is
>> > > best
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > ourselves if we do not apply the laws or their
>> > > > > > > > > > principles. We
>> > > > > must
>> > > > > > > > > > learn to do what is wanting without violating those
>> > > > > > > > > > Laws.
>> > > > > > > > > > Collectively, we assume or believe that no one knows our
>> > > > > thoughts,
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > read more »
>
>
> --
> (
> )
> I_D Allan
>
> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
>
>
