Edward when dealing with the encoded language of prophecy it becomes very easy to twist it to what the interpreter wants it to say. All that I have ever seen in prophecy is a bunch of finger pointing or rambling mumble jumble that anything can be read into..
*It is for these very* reasons I find prophecy of little interest I am more intersted in Know God as I understand him than knowing the future. Allan On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:02 AM, edward mason <[email protected]>wrote: > "When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier > > than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is > easier > > to distort and shape into what you want it to say." > > What I find very interesting > in this regard is the fact that the "coded language" of the prophets is so > closely related to the language of dreams, it's hard to find a line that > seperates the two, if there is, indeed, a point of seperation between them. > One thing that I know as a fact, is that during the course of dreams, one > may received more than simply instructions for living. At that rate, there > are directions, standards (moral and legal), warnings, and so on for daily > living found in the prophecies. I also see that the different prophecies say > a lot of the same things, particuliarly, regarding the destruction and the > end, but in different ways; much like re- phrasing a sentence. This is where > the Words of God come alive, and live; they sound the same no matter where > they are written. As we learn, we learn that the Words of God may not even > be in words, but in feeling, still sound the same as the WORDS. The > recognition is always there, as far as I can Tell. > Edward > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:07 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > DW of course there are similarities.. religious belief influence > religious > > beliefs both Judaism and Jesus had a great deal of influence on Islam. > > > > When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier > > than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is > easier > > to distort and shape into what you want it to say. Fortunately prophecy > has > > little to do with day to day living and a whole lot to do with pointing > > fingers. To me threats and pointing fingers has little or nothing to do > with > > spirituality. I also think that the excessive use ff prophecy is what > > drives more people from the real good and value in beliefs. > > > > The great Chinese Philosopher Confucius one said "To be in the presents > of > > one's God is to be in heaven." > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> That is what is so interesting for me, Allan, that it's > >> interpretations are are so similar and what can be read can be so very > >> different. When I look at the interpretation that Edward provides it > >> is vastly different from what I read from it and what interpretations > >> I have heard. Of course, the bit that Pat provides I have heard before > >> and in comparing the speech patterns and writing styles there can be > >> some sense of order and relationship between religions. The two > >> religions (Judaism and Islam) being so closely related, this should > >> not come as a surprise! The common ground it provides is, > >> unfortunately, often viewed as religious difference rather than a > >> foundation for building good relations. Taking the book of Isaiah as > >> the perfect example, that is. > >> > >> On Nov 28, 7:06 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Edward that goes to prove people will read what they want to in what > >> > they > >> > read. I reread Isaiah just to recall it.. It has not changed since i > >> > first > >> > read it,, just a book of prophcy with very little value to me > >> > spiritually > >> > which leaves me in a difficult problem. I see no value to it in > living > >> > a > >> > daily spiritual life. Day to day living is what a (spiritual) life is > >> > all > >> > about. > >> > Now on the other hand prophecy is great for those who want to appear > to > >> > be > >> > spiritually wise as they can take bits and pieces and twist it to > mold > >> > say > >> > anything they want to say and read into it anything they want to read. > >> > > >> > With no poisonous snakes on Malta we know that Saul of Tarsus was > never > >> > bitten by a poison snake therefore he could never have been > miraculously > >> > healed, making the story a lie.. because it is a lie it leaves all > >> > other > >> > stories told about him suspect. > >> > As for Saul laying the foundation another would build on that is > true,, > >> > but > >> > that does not make the foundation one of truth ,, remember the > >> > foundation > >> > he laid is built on a lie simple as it may be.. leaving the whole > >> > structure > >> > suspect. > >> > > >> > Son's of God is a whole different question,, but all men and women > even > >> > the > >> > bad ones are son's of YHVH including the ones that are considered evil > >> > or > >> > bad depending how you view it. I have my own point of view on that > >> > subject > >> > too. > >> > Allan > >> > > >> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, pathfinder > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > > >> > > So then the vision of the barbarian was true, Saul was of the same > >> > > nature as the snake; ( Prophecy: Just has Moses raised the serpent > in > >> > > the wilderness, so shall the son of man be raised in the last days. > >> > > But the healing was for those who had been bitten by sepents). > Perhaps > >> > > the miracle asspect was God making him the blind servant. Remember > >> > > Paul said that he laid the foundation, and another would build > >> > > thereon. Paul laid the foundation that Jesus was a savior for the > >> > > world, while Jesus said that he came to bring the sword. Paul said > >> > > that he was blinded along his path, and received his sight after he > >> > > agreed to do what Jesus had told him to do in that meeeting. Now > >> > > history shows that the foundation that Paul laid was the one that > >> > > Jesus said would be the Son's ( For as many that do the will of YHVH > >> > > are the Son's of YHVH ), whose inheritance was taken after they had > >> > > killed him. And ofcourse, Isaiah talked about the blind servant, > >> > > tampering with the laws of God. > >> > > I am working on the > >> > > writing. > >> > > Edward > >> > > On Nov 23, 11:49 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > Edward Saul's the validity of Saul of Taurus teachings are > >> > > > predicated by > >> > > the > >> > > > miracle healing of Saul by God, making him a teacher chosen by > God, > >> > > > the > >> > > > problem the lies simply in the fact there are no poisonous snakes > on > >> > > Malta > >> > > > which really creates a problem with the validity of Saul's > teachings > >> > > > especially when you have lie in the very foundation > >> > > > Have fun figuring that one out.. how do you erase the deciet? > >> > > > Allan > >> > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:58 PM, pathfinder > >> > > > <[email protected] > >> > > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > What lead you to think that I can type? > >> > > > > Lazzy? > >> > > > > Paul (Saul; Centurian)>...Imagine living in an environment where > >> > > > > certain citizens are respected as gods, in a very real sense. > >> > > > > However, > >> > > > > The setting is the Age of the Sun god, Ra., Egyptian. ( Solar > >> > > > > Cult)... > >> > > > > The barbarrians had not evolved from the cult before it, but > they > >> > > > > had > >> > > > > the basic principles. The principles had not changed, only the > way > >> > > > > they were applied. This means that there were people that could > >> > > > > see. > >> > > > > Wherefore, the story tells the way the vision was revealed and > >> > > > > what > >> > > > > was revealed about Paul. The serpent had varied interpretations > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > both mythologies: from representing wisdom, to the initator, the > >> > > > > dragon, death, so on. If one make a biological examination, then > >> > > > > take > >> > > > > the results to the bigger picture of the prophecies, they will > get > >> > > > > faster results in that understanding, I think. I love the Hebrew > >> > > > > language; the letters of the alphabet make statements before you > >> > > > > can > >> > > > > even put them together to make a word! I see that the seer was > >> > > > > looking > >> > > > > at Paul being the venom that would spread over the nations. The > >> > > > > seer > >> > > > > saw it, but it's not clear whether he understood it The remark > >> > > > > about > >> > > > > Paul being god could be related to the fact that he was > >> > > > > centurian.... > >> > > > > Wish I knew the language! > >> > > > > On Nov 23, 11:18 am, pathfinder <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > > > > I'm looking at it. > >> > > >> > > > > > On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > You are funny Edward, I wonder if you know what is in your > own > >> > > heart > >> > > > > much > >> > > > > > > less what is in th heart of others. As for standards there > >> > > > > > > are > >> > > many > >> > > > > > > standards, each person is their own judge. from your > writings > >> > > > > > > you > >> > > claim > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > > > have the standards of christian dogma and doctrine which you > >> > > > > > > want > >> > > to > >> > > > > shove > >> > > > > > > off on everyone else. > >> > > > > > > Edward Edward Edward if you are dealing with anyone you need > >> > > > > > > to > >> > > have > >> > > > > your > >> > > > > > > reservations tailored by caution and accuracy. You will find > >> > > > > > > we > >> > > tend > >> > > > > not to > >> > > > > > > attack people around here but rather ideas and concepts: > and > >> > > > > > > all > >> > > ideas > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > > concepts are free game if you are hung up on one be warned > >> > > > > > > your > >> > > > > feelings > >> > > > > > > will be hurt simple because you take things to personally. > >> > > >> > > > > > > assessment? that one is easy read your very first document > >> > > > > > > that you > >> > > > > > > presented to this group. > >> > > > > > > Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > >> > > > > > > I am to lazy to retype it. this is very typical of > >> > > > > > > funnymentalist > >> > > > > thinking. > >> > > > > > > or what every you want to call them, this is according to > you > >> > > > > > > your > >> > > > > great > >> > > > > > > document of enlightenment. and according to them they are > all > >> > > > > > > on > >> > > the > >> > > > > narrow > >> > > > > > > path and very few are on the path.. You do not know how many > >> > > > > > > times > >> > > I > >> > > > > have > >> > > > > > > been told that. What you see as narrow I see as broad and > wide > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > many > >> > > > > > > people on the path. Now as for the actual path you are on I > >> > > > > > > really > >> > > > > don't > >> > > > > > > know and which is more I am really do not know,, and I do > not > >> > > > > > > know > >> > > you > >> > > > > well > >> > > > > > > enough to make a judgment.. > >> > > >> > > > > > > When are you going to give your response to the poisonous > >> > > > > > > snake > >> > > biting > >> > > > > Saul > >> > > > > > > of Taurus on Malta? > >> > > >> > > > > > > Allan > >> > > >> > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:48 AM, pathfinder < > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > > > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > The sellection of the children as an example was for what > >> > > > > > > > would > >> > > seem, > >> > > > > > > > obvious reason. By age 1 the nature seem fully functional > >> > > > > > > > and > >> > > seem to > >> > > > > > > > gain it's greatest outside influence around age 3. It had > >> > > > > > > > nothing > >> > > to > >> > > > > > > > do with anyone's physical abilities or > >> > > > > > > > disabilities. > >> > > > > > > > > One thing that consistantly prevails in most of your > >> > > > > > > > > messages > >> > > to > >> > > > > > > > me , is that you come with two different standards; i.e., > >> > > > > > > > one for > >> > > you > >> > > > > > > > and one for me. By those for you, you are allowed to give > >> > > > > > > > your > >> > > > > opinion > >> > > > > > > > freely of me and my views. The one issued for me requires > >> > > > > > > > that my > >> > > > > > > > opinion of you must be taylored by caution and > >> > > > > > > > accurracy > >> > > > > > > > >While I base my opinion of you on the contents that I see > >> > > emitted > >> > > > > > > > from the seat of your heart. In your statement "....your > >> > > generalities > >> > > > > > > > that you have arrived at from your teachings of > >> > > > > > > > christianity", > >> > > show > >> > > > > me > >> > > > > > > > the ground for such an > >> > > > > > > > assessment. > >> > > > > > > > >What I prefer in socialization is that each individual > >> > > > > > > > > maintain > >> > > the > >> > > > > > > > self-governed standards acceptable to each. One standard > >> > > > > > > > should > >> > > be > >> > > > > > > > that if I do it to you, you are justified in doing it to > me. > >> > > >I > >> > > > > > > > see the road that I'm on to be narrow and few travelers > >> > > > > > > > theron, > >> > > for > >> > > > > > > > now. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 12:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > Edward one of the absolutes of the world is if you > states > >> > > > > > > > > if > >> > > > > something is > >> > > > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > > > absolute you will be absolutely wrong. Don't put me in > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > catagory that > >> > > > > > > > > you see yourself in. One thing is you do not know me or > >> > > > > > > > > who I > >> > > am > >> > > > > until > >> > > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > > do leave me out of your generalities that you have > arrived > >> > > > > > > > > at > >> > > from > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > teachings of christianity. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > As far as children go, I have been fixed and have no > >> > > > > > > > > intention > >> > > of > >> > > > > > > > bringing > >> > > > > > > > > children into this world, and for good reasons, unlike > you > >> > > > > > > > > I > >> > > have > >> > > > > several > >> > > > > > > > > great grand children. Your ideas are not original but > >> > > > > > > > > concepts > >> > > that > >> > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > been passed on for many generation. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > You have a long way to grow in spirituality a long way > >> > > > > > > > > that is > >> > > not > >> > > > > easy. > >> > > > > > > > > According to your beliefs the road to predation is wide > >> > > > > > > > > and > >> > > many > >> > > > > chose > >> > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > follow it, from what I have read of your writing I would > >> > > > > > > > > guess > >> > > you > >> > > > > are > >> > > > > > > > > somewhere on that wide road. > >> > > > > > > > > Allan > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM, pathfinder < > >> > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > > > > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am saying that the heart of man aka your heart, my > >> > > > > > > > > > heart, > >> > > and > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > hearts of all are set towards survival, gratification, > >> > > pleasure, > >> > > > > > > > > > curiousity, thrill, etc. We must learn to bring the > >> > > > > > > > > > heart > >> > > into > >> > > > > > > > > > conformity. Out of an instinct to survive, gratify, > >> > > > > > > > > > enjoy or > >> > > > > whatever > >> > > > > > > > > > the caes may be, I, you, man, woman, we do what we > think > >> > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > best > >> > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > ourselves if we do not apply the laws or their > >> > > > > > > > > > principles. We > >> > > > > must > >> > > > > > > > > > learn to do what is wanting without violating those > >> > > > > > > > > > Laws. > >> > > > > > > > > > Collectively, we assume or believe that no one knows > our > >> > > > > thoughts, > >> > > >> > ... > >> > > >> > read more ยป > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
