gabby did I leave out the part we will forget to tell the police offers you have my permission,, ;o) after we want an unbiased judgement. Allan
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:39 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Gabby I do not have to backup my existence without a tombstone, that is > easy we will meet in some city center make sure there are several police > persons there the more the merrier .. then you have my permission th beat > the shit out of me,, now we will let those fine officers decide whether I > exist or not.. I would offer to reverse the roles but I have no doubt of > your existence and need no proof. > Allan > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:14 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Na, that door won't open! Just like the demand to back up your >> existence with your tombstone! To be a human being, Francis, the trick >> is to keep breathing! Just like time only exists in its substantial >> sense! Thanks for reminding us, RP. >> >> On 6 Dez., 15:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > For instance, is Julian Assange our Martin Luther? From the Diet of >> > Worms to our can of worms? From 95 Theses to ? Think about it. :-) >> > >> > On Dec 6, 6:05 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable >> to >> > > believe that there have always been universes and life and death will >> > > continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe began >> and >> > > will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of universes >> will >> > > continue in eternity. >> > >> > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except to >> > > > explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events. From >> what we >> > > > do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and I am beginning >> to >> > > > think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the present can and the >> past >> > > > has been affected by the future. Through this I accept causality but >> deny >> > > > determinism. >> > >> > > > Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and >> > > > loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being? >> This >> > > > implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in the >> linear >> > > > senses usually attributed. But something alive, with living parts >> which have >> > > > an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, >> care to >> > > > clarify more? >> > >> > > > On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote: >> > >> > > > Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation and >> > > > therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end , Creation >> has no >> > > > beginning and no end as there would always be universes before and >> after the >> > > > present universes. In other words there would be no beginning or end >> of >> > > > time. >> > >> > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> This leads us to the question of the existence of our universe at >> all, if >> > > >> a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient, eternal; what point would >> there be >> > > >> to creating our universe? >> > >> > > >> On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote: >> > >> > > >> Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end the >> eternity of >> > > >> God would have no meaning as it is in creation that God's presence >> is felt. >> > > >> God would have become a very lonely fellow. >> > >> > > >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >>> RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again: >> > >> > > >>> Who sez? >> > >> > > >>> Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything. The trick is >> to >> > > >>> back them up. >> > >> > > >>> Francis >> > >> > > >>> On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >>> > There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal. There is no >> > > >>> > beginning or end of creation. Before this universe there were >> other >> > > >>> > universes and after this universe there will be other universes. >> In >> > > >>> > fact there is no point in time when there was a first universe >> or >> > > >>> > there will be a last universe. God and Creation are both eternal >> , it >> > > >>> > is us beings that are finite.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > - Show quoted text - >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
