I have to be short right now, you are right that what I said doesn't negate your original or following statements.

Time, time, time... Duty calls-

On 12/6/2010 7:05 AM, RP Singh wrote:
Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable to believe that there have always been universes and life and death will continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe began and will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of universes will continue in eternity.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except
    to explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events.
    From what we do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and
    I am beginning to think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the
    present can and the past has been affected by the future. Through
    this I accept causality but deny determinism.

    Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and
    loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being?
    This implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in
    the linear senses usually attributed. But something alive, with
    living parts which have an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am
    putting words in your mouth, care to clarify more?


    On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote:
    Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation
    and therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end ,
    Creation has no beginning and no end as there would always be
    universes before and after the present universes. In other words
    there would be no beginning or end of time.

    On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        This leads us to the question of the existence of our
        universe at all, if a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient,
        eternal; what point would there be to creating our universe?


        On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote:
        Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end
        the eternity of God would have no meaning as it is in
        creation that God's presence is felt. God would have become
        a very lonely fellow.

        On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again:

            Who sez?

            Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything.
            The trick is to
            back them up.

            Francis

            On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            > There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal.
            There is no
            > beginning or end of creation. Before this universe
            there were other
            > universes and after this universe there will be other
            universes. In
            > fact there is no point in time when there was a first
            universe or
            > there will be a last universe. God and Creation are
            both eternal , it
            > is us beings that are finite.







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