On Dec 6, 2:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > For instance, is Julian Assange our Martin Luther? From the Diet of > Worms to our can of worms? From 95 Theses to ? Think about it. :-) >
While I have little doubts that Assange felt he was doing a thing worth doing, it ended up as rather treasonous to several governments. I fear he will spend the majority of his life behind bars for, essentially, forming a unilateral autocracy and using every other government's spys as his own, then turning informant on the world at large. A hundred years ago, of course, this would have been impossible. 50 years ago, he would have fallen victim to an accidental fatal head wound of some calibre. Today, well, He will be praised by many; he will enrage many and will, most likely, pay heavily for his attempt to teach the many of the crimes of the few. Thing is...we knew the generalities anyway, the only difference is, now, we know the specifics. We know that the 'diplo' in diplomat means double, so why be surprised at a diplomat's duplicity...it's in the job description. > On Dec 6, 6:05 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable to > > believe that there have always been universes and life and death will > > continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe began and > > will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of universes will > > continue in eternity. > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except to > > > explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events. From what > > > we > > > do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and I am beginning to > > > think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the present can and the past > > > has been affected by the future. Through this I accept causality but deny > > > determinism. > > > > Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and > > > loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being? This > > > implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in the linear > > > senses usually attributed. But something alive, with living parts which > > > have > > > an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, care to > > > clarify more? > > > > On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote: > > > > Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation and > > > therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end , Creation has no > > > beginning and no end as there would always be universes before and after > > > the > > > present universes. In other words there would be no beginning or end of > > > time. > > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> This leads us to the question of the existence of our universe at all, > > >> if > > >> a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient, eternal; what point would > > >> there be > > >> to creating our universe? > > > >> On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote: > > > >> Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end the eternity of > > >> God would have no meaning as it is in creation that God's presence is > > >> felt. > > >> God would have become a very lonely fellow. > > > >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman <[email protected] > > >> > wrote: > > > >>> RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again: > > > >>> Who sez? > > > >>> Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything. The trick is to > > >>> back them up. > > > >>> Francis > > > >>> On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal. There is no > > >>> > beginning or end of creation. Before this universe there were other > > >>> > universes and after this universe there will be other universes. In > > >>> > fact there is no point in time when there was a first universe or > > >>> > there will be a last universe. God and Creation are both eternal , it > > >>> > is us beings that are finite.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
