On Dec 17, 7:29 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > I find it interesting that you use the word "topology" with regard to > 2-D space! Also wondering if you have come to the conclusion that > 'consciousness space' is, in fact 2-Dimensional... >
Topology is very important in 2-D scenarios. Think origami!!! Our consciousness MUST be at least 2-D. We use one dimension to grasp any given event. But, we need a second dimension in order to integrate those single instance events into a flowing whole so that we 'perceive' a flow to time. Granting God a 'superconsciousness, I extrapolate that, overall, consciousness is 3-D, and we each have a 2- D 'slice' of it. God has the whole 3-D 'loaf', if you will. > On Dec 17, 11:45 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 17, 2:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > could be the soul grows in experience. > > > Allan > > > My theory would be that a widening of one's 2-D consciousness occurs. > > I.e., the slice we have gets wider as we add experiences. But, that > > completely depends on the topology of 'consciousness space' and there > > are, still, a few competing ideas I have about that. More than one > > way to topologise one's thoughts!! > > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:44 PM, DarkwaterBlight > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Unless you are a stalagmite or stalactite! ;) > > > > > On Dec 17, 4:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Switch to "object permanence" and you don't need to make that > > > > distinction. > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:55 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Smile DW congratulations...you have that right we are souls..it is > > > > > > the > > > > > > body that is temporary.. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:46 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> I will give you this much; I am me and no one else; No one else is > > > > > >> me > > > > > >> nor can be. You have me mistaken for one who believes that we have > > > > > >> souls! I, on the contrary, believe we ARE souls. > > > > > > >> On Dec 16, 11:07 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > A clone would be exactly like me but may differ in personality > > > > traits > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> > circumstances according to his upbringing. Due to some > > > > > >> > environmental > > > > > >> factors > > > > > >> > I might be a failure but he may be a success and as such his > > > > identity > > > > > >> would > > > > > >> > be completely different. If the same environment had been given > > > > > >> > to > > > > me I > > > > > >> > would have been vastly different from what I am today and thus I > > > > would > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> > be what I am. I relate to my identity and what I am I would not > > > > > >> > be > > > > if > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > identity had been different. There is essentially no difference > > > > between > > > > > >> you > > > > > >> > and me except that of identity and we cannot be said to be the > > > > > >> > same > > > > > >> > individual. The fault in your assessment is that you consider > > > > yourself > > > > > >> to be > > > > > >> > something separate from your body which you are not. You consider > > > > > >> yourself > > > > > >> > to be an individual in a body and no matter what your personality > > > > and > > > > > >> > station you consider it to be yours.The truth is you are one > > > > identity > > > > > >> and I > > > > > >> > am another , the only difference between us is that of identity. > > > > > >> > If > > > > your > > > > > >> > past life and achievements were different it would not be you but > > > > that > > > > > >> > other. > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:52 PM, DarkwaterBlight > > > > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >> > > While I agree that personality has much to do with how we > > > > > >> > > handle > > > > > >> > > circumstances; it is not unusual for people to adopt > > > > > >> > > personality > > > > > >> > > traits seen in others. This is helpful in overcoming adverse > > > > > >> > > circumstances that one might, otherwise, be inequiped to > > > > > >> > > handle. > > > > I- > > > > > >> > > dentity, however, might have little or nothing to do with > > > > > >> > > either > > > > of > > > > > >> > > these as it can be as fluid as anyone wishes or or is inclined > > > > > >> > > to > > > > > >> > > portray. What of those with multiple personality disorders? > > > > > >> > > Would > > > > not > > > > > >> > > you say that there are multiple identities at work or should > > > > > >> > > they > > > > be > > > > > >> > > identified as; by their circumstances ie; having a disorder? > > > > > >> > > Very > > > > > >> > > questionable thesis RP! I agree with rigsy that more factors > > > > should be > > > > > >> > > taken into consideration. > > > > > > >> > > On Dec 16, 9:24 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > You still would have been yourself- with a different > > > > > >> > > > personality > > > > and > > > > > >> > > > altered circumstances. You are not "fixed" like a statue of > > > > marble. > > > > > >> > > > Humans are highly adaptable. Chance and luck have a huge > > > > > >> > > > impact > > > > on > > > > > >> > > > lives and it is impossible to avoid challenges and surprises. > > > > Often > > > > > >> > > > our strengths are hidden until provoked or summoned. Plus, > > > > > >> > > > you > > > > fail > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > > > mention the enormous impact parents have on their children > > > > > >> > > > and > > > > there > > > > > >> > > > are other "biggies" like war, poverty, intelligence, physical > > > > > >> > > > attributes, religious beliefs or not, etc.// A friend braved > > > > > >> > > > the > > > > > >> snow > > > > > >> > > > Monday and came for lunch- really to show me the photo of a > > > > college > > > > > >> > > > reunion last autumn that I did not attend- amazing to hear > > > > > >> > > > all > > > > the > > > > > >> > > > dramas and traumas! :-) We have been friends since age 10 and > > > > > >> > > > congratulated ourselves on all the good times- the fun times- > > > > the > > > > > >> 50's > > > > > >> > > > were a great decade, depending. Anyway, I finally filled in > > > > > >> > > > the > > > > > >> blanks > > > > > >> > > > of myself from 0 to 10 before we met and she told me to > > > > > >> > > > "write a > > > > > >> > > > book"!!! > > > > > > >> > > > On Dec 15, 1:25 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > I am what my identity is. If my personality and > > > > > >> > > > > circumstances > > > > had > > > > > >> been > > > > > >> > > > > different , it would have been a different identity and > > > > > >> > > > > that > > > > would > > > > > >> have > > > > > >> > > been > > > > > >> > > > > someone else and not I.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
