What you are saying now is simply not true, RP. Things don't change for the better, they change. Going into a depression they change for the worse, going out of the depression they change for the better. Relying on hope to be divine sounds very depressing in this context. Actively praying to God, a form of fighting the way I understand it, would form the contrast. Can you follow me?
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:26 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > When someone commits suicide it is not a simple death , rather it is a > shameful one for the family and often it leads to sorrow and trouble for the > loved ones. The person who has died has escaped the frustrations of life but > he has left a life of indignity and sorrow for his children , if had borne > with his suffering a bit more he would have got over his troubles and saved > his family from much indignity and frustration. Most of the times a person > commits suicide in a mood of desperation which if had borne a bit he would > have got over it and would have gone about his life in a much better frame > of mind.Depression is temporary and runs it course , after which the > sufferer goes about his work in a better frame of mind. Again death is > inevitable and no matter how much you are suffering it will end one day , so > why not keep hope and give yourself another chance for whether you are like > it or not death will knock at your door sooner or later , so why prepone > death. Hope is divine and one should not ever give up because most of the > time things change for the better , and as you will die anyway there is no > harm in being hopeful for the remaining period of your life. > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry I have to call tosh on this one. People die and when they do >> those left behind DO get over their deaths. Why would a loved ones >> death be pain 100 times over? Death is inevitable depression is a >> living death for some. Pain 100 times over? Not even close. >> >> On Jan 9, 9:39 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi everybody! >> > I have to say that I have heard many time that one wishes to end it >> > all, so, suicide is on some people minds when they do not see a way >> > out from their sorrows and pains. At the same time I have to say that >> > you are right RP when you say that pain will be increased a hundred >> > times to the people surrounding those who commit suicide, but what >> > could those same people have done to prevent that suicide? I think >> > that is the question that we have to ask ourselves, when we find >> > ourselves in such a situation? >> > My regards to you all, >> > Manfraco >> > >> > On Jan 9, 9:53 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > I tend to agree with the insurmountable suffering, but even there I am >> not >> > > sure. I do know that in long duration fasting the hunger only last >> for a >> > > few days especially if you find something to occupy your time. I do >> know >> > > that taking advantage of the situations one is in and open up to the >> > > experience can lead into some pretty amazing situations. That has >> occurred >> > > in the past for me, 'What works I am not about to fix.' >> > >> > > Now the teenage in depression,, well that comes between him and the >> > > Creator,but I tend to think that the emotional turmoil they are going >> > > through will then continue through all eternity and their death will >> be >> > > added to it. >> > > But what do I know.. just the reasons I don't like the idea for >> myself. >> > > Allan >> > >> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > On 1/8/2011 9:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> > >> > > >> When a man is under depression he tries to escape pain by >> committing >> > > >> suicide , but does he really escape pain? No he increases it >> hundredfold. >> > > >> The pain and sorrow that his family and friends feel at his demise >> is >> > > >> actually a pain that is experienced by that individual. Escapism is >> no >> > > >> remedy , the only way is to struggle and bear through all >> hardships. To >> > > >> fight throughout is the only way and as death will eventually come, >> why >> > > >> prepone it. >> > >> > > > And there are worse things than death. There are many ways however >> to >> > > > minimize on the effects to others, such as drinking a bottle of rum >> and >> > > > passing out while out camping or hunting in extreme cold. Making it >> look >> > > > accidental however deprives others from the truth of why, and there >> is >> > > > always the element of wasted potential to reconcile. I agree one >> should have >> > > > the right to die with some dignity if facing insurmountable >> suffering, but >> > > > it should be held a sacred right and protected as much as possible >> from >> > > > manipulation holding severe punishments. An 18 year old can decide >> whether >> > > > to stand in the line of fire, but someone with incurable cancer or >> mind/body >> > > > falling apart cannot say enough is enough until their body can give >> up >> > > > without aid. Insurance companies should hold no weight in the >> discussion. >> > >> > > -- >> > > ( >> > > ) >> > > I_D Allan >> > >> > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >
