That is correct my friend. There is only one spirit, and so the idea that there are more is the illusion.
On Jan 27, 5:32 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > First you have to admit whether there is only one Spirit or many > spirits ; if there are many spirits then though they are begot by one > God , yet they are separate from one another ; if there is only one > spirit then the entire creation is an illusion , including the > so-called souls , and thus perishable. In that case only God or Self > is and the individual selves are just reflections or bubbles and will > disappear on death. > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, [email protected] > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey RP. > > > Or...... > > > Just as the creation can be said to be the body of God, then all > > spirit is the spirit of God. > > > If it is true that God created matter from the spirt of God, then all > > matter contians the spirit of God. If it is also true that God > > created man in Gods image(whatever the hell that means) then it the > > spirit of a human is indistinguishable from the spirit of God. > > > This my freind is where the illusion of duality occours. We think we > > are seperate from God, I would ask how can we be if it is also true > > that God permates the creation? > > > Is there even one iota of matter or spirt that does not contain God? > > > On Jan 27, 2:38 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Don't you see that if the whole creation is the body of God that we as > >> part of this body cannot be the spirit of God , and thus all of us are > >> mortals and it is the spirit that is God . In other words we as part > >> of the body of God must bow before the Spirit which is God. Again we > >> as part of the body will be turned to ashes whereas the Spirit which > >> is God will remain as it is unborn , eternal and indestructible. > > >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst still > >> > alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through > >> > understanding when the power to understand is no more? > > >> > I put instead this way. > > >> > We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god is > >> > pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of matter > >> > nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created the > >> > creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any > >> > matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is your > >> > beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in > >> > some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. > >> > Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of > >> > God. > > >> > The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, > >> > there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you talk > >> > of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more properly, > >> > the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is > >> > the objective truth. > > >> > On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination > >> >> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of > >> >> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and > >> >> unbreakable bliss. > > >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles > >> >> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound > >> >> > confused > >> >> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just > >> >> > what > >> >> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to > >> >> > realize > >> >> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an > >> >> > infinite > >> >> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler > >> >> > person > >> >> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take > >> >> > a life > >> >> > time to perfect. > >> >> > Allan > > >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , > >> >> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being > >> >> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into > >> >> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. > > >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have > >> >> >> > nothing > >> >> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means > >> >> >> > little > >> >> >> > and I > >> >> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without > >> >> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want > >> >> >> > it to > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like > >> >> >> > work > >> >> >> > simply because I enjoy working > > >> >> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you > >> >> >> > understand > >> >> >> > what they are actually saying? > > >> >> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > every > >> >> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > soul is > >> >> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call > >> >> >> > him.) > >> >> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is > >> >> >> > different. By > >> >> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding > >> >> >> > to God > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and > >> >> >> > subtle.If > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. > > >> >> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? > >> >> >> > Allan > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a > >> >> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly > >> >> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts > >> >> >> >> without > >> >> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put > >> >> >> >> forth > >> >> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the > >> >> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly > >> >> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it > >> >> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right > >> >> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. > >> >> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the > >> >> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to > >> >> >> >> learn. > >> >> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering > >> >> >> >> dust > >> >> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and > >> >> >> >> accept > >> >> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan > >> >> >> >> > before > >> >> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > basis > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things > >> >> >> >> > such > >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual > >> >> >> >> > division > >> >> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of > >> >> >> >> > an > >> >> >> >> > eternal > >> >> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest > >> >> >> >> > height > >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> > any > >> >> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The > >> >> >> >> > truth, > >> >> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as > >> >> >> >> > the only > >> >> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a > >> >> >> >> > half-truth, > >> >> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a > >> >> >> >> > mere > >> >> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is > >> >> >> >> > just one > >> >> >> >> > step of > >> >> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all > >> >> >> >> > of that > >> >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> >> > fall within another mastery). > > >> >> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, > >> >> >> >> > wherever it > >> >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions > >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd > >> >> >> >> > flip > >> >> >> >> > upside > >> >> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > what > >> >> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, > >> >> >> >> > or what > >> >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I > >> >> >> >> > suppose even > >> >> >> >> > if > >> >> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many > >> >> >> >> > arts so > >> >> >> >> > long > >> >> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- > >> >> >> >> > tools > >> >> >> >> > handed > >> >> >> >> > down for us to build on. > > >> >> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > offer > >> >> >> >> > more > >> >> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? > > >> >> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn > >> >> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people > >> >> >> >> > set > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because > >> >> >> >> > they have > >> >> >> >> > set > >> >> >> >> > the only conditions they > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
