First you have to admit whether there is only one Spirit or many spirits ; if there are many spirits then though they are begot by one God , yet they are separate from one another ; if there is only one spirit then the entire creation is an illusion , including the so-called souls , and thus perishable. In that case only God or Self is and the individual selves are just reflections or bubbles and will disappear on death.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey RP. > > Or...... > > Just as the creation can be said to be the body of God, then all > spirit is the spirit of God. > > If it is true that God created matter from the spirt of God, then all > matter contians the spirit of God. If it is also true that God > created man in Gods image(whatever the hell that means) then it the > spirit of a human is indistinguishable from the spirit of God. > > This my freind is where the illusion of duality occours. We think we > are seperate from God, I would ask how can we be if it is also true > that God permates the creation? > > Is there even one iota of matter or spirt that does not contain God? > > On Jan 27, 2:38 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> Don't you see that if the whole creation is the body of God that we as >> part of this body cannot be the spirit of God , and thus all of us are >> mortals and it is the spirit that is God . In other words we as part >> of the body of God must bow before the Spirit which is God. Again we >> as part of the body will be turned to ashes whereas the Spirit which >> is God will remain as it is unborn , eternal and indestructible. >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst still >> > alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through >> > understanding when the power to understand is no more? >> >> > I put instead this way. >> >> > We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god is >> > pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of matter >> > nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created the >> > creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any >> > matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is your >> > beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in >> > some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. >> > Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of >> > God. >> >> > The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, >> > there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you talk >> > of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more properly, >> > the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is >> > the objective truth. >> >> > On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination >> >> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of >> >> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and >> >> unbreakable bliss. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles >> >> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound >> >> > confused >> >> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just >> >> > what >> >> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to >> >> > realize >> >> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an >> >> > infinite >> >> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler person >> >> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take a >> >> > life >> >> > time to perfect. >> >> > Allan >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , >> >> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being >> >> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into >> >> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have >> >> >> > nothing >> >> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means little >> >> >> > and I >> >> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without >> >> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want it >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > be >> >> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like >> >> >> > work >> >> >> > simply because I enjoy working >> >> >> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you >> >> >> > understand >> >> >> > what they are actually saying? >> >> >> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies to >> >> >> > every >> >> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body and >> >> >> > soul is >> >> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call >> >> >> > him.) >> >> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is >> >> >> > different. By >> >> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding to >> >> >> > God >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and subtle.If >> >> >> > you >> >> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. >> >> >> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death and >> >> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? >> >> >> > Allan >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a >> >> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool and >> >> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly >> >> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts >> >> >> >> without >> >> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put >> >> >> >> forth >> >> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the >> >> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly >> >> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it >> >> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right >> >> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. >> >> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the >> >> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to >> >> >> >> learn. >> >> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering >> >> >> >> dust >> >> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and accept >> >> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan >> >> >> >> > before >> >> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the >> >> >> >> > basis >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such >> >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> > we >> >> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual >> >> >> >> > division >> >> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an >> >> >> >> > eternal >> >> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest >> >> >> >> > height >> >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> > any >> >> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The >> >> >> >> > truth, >> >> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the >> >> >> >> > only >> >> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a >> >> >> >> > half-truth, >> >> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a >> >> >> >> > mere >> >> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just >> >> >> >> > one >> >> >> >> > step of >> >> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of >> >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> > may >> >> >> >> > fall within another mastery). >> >> >> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, >> >> >> >> > wherever it >> >> >> >> > may >> >> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of >> >> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd >> >> >> >> > flip >> >> >> >> > upside >> >> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and >> >> >> >> > what >> >> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or >> >> >> >> > what >> >> >> >> > we >> >> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose >> >> >> >> > even >> >> >> >> > if >> >> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many >> >> >> >> > arts so >> >> >> >> > long >> >> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- >> >> >> >> > tools >> >> >> >> > handed >> >> >> >> > down for us to build on. >> >> >> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you >> >> >> >> > offer >> >> >> >> > more >> >> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? >> >> >> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn >> >> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people >> >> >> >> > set >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they >> >> >> >> > have >> >> >> >> > set >> >> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a self >> >> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . >> >> >> >> > Allan >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while >> >> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse >> >> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment >> >> >> >> >> while >> >> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to >> >> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but >> >> >> >> >> > possible. >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; >> >> >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others >> >> >> >> >> >> despicable; >> >> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made >> >> >> >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and >> >> >> >> >> >> find >> >> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but >> >> >> >> >> >> never >> >> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> > ( >> >> >> >> > ) >> >> >> >> > I_D Allan >> >> >> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> >> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> ... >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
