RP I really do object to anyones beliefs, all though I do have trouble with fundamentalism. what i see you saying is the same thing again and again and again and again. yes you have changed the words but you have said exactly the same thing. I love pushing fundamentalist buttons. There is nothing wrong with being a skeptic and that can be a good thing.
I do not think at any time I have ever given a paranoid point of view and if you belief is the illusion you want to pursue have fun whether I think it is stupid is irrelevant, it is your beliefs My belief in God is not based off what others have written and then my interpretation of those beliefs. I seriously doubt that you could present anything that would change my beliefs. but I am willing to hear what you have to say. Francis of Assisi once said it is better to understand than be understood. When I prod you to expand your thought you just simply say the same thing. Now I read some material that was fascinating so I am willing to listen but I am tired of listing to your illusions or is that concept of it. Allan On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > When you start learning in your childhood you start with the > alphabets and then progress to words and further but that doesn't make > the alphabets irrelevant. In your quest for knowledge you first learn > what is Brahman and then you go and dissect his creation. What I have > been saying is not exactly what is written in Hindu religious texts > but my own interpretation of Truth and if you take it with a grain of > salt you are well advised as I myself am a sceptic by nature and don't > easily accept what the scriptures and other people say. I believe that > a person should think logically and not accept paranoid beliefs > because whatever a man's viewpoint is easily coloured by paranoid > occurrences and taking them to be true. There is so much in our belief > system which is amounting to superstition and I only exhort others > against such stupidity. There is God I believe and what He is like I > beg to differ from others and if I call creation an illusion you > cannot call me that as in your opinion everyone is an individual soul > and will last till eternity. Everyone to his beliefs , no matter > however founded , and if I seem to be ignorant to you that is no loss > to me. > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:08 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Illusion known as RP As I read what you have written and in your self > > realization it sounds like you are the equal of Brahman, It is no sense > > discussing anything because you are all knowing. When my nephew married a > > Hindi girl I decided i need to read the Veges they are very interesting > but > > i also noticed that those boys knew ow to make up one heck of a batch of > > kick-a-poo juice. (No insult ash) so I take what is written with a grain > of > > salt, and there are whole oceans full of it. > > > > If you are a follower of Brahman you are a very small minority. I know > for > > certain that religious beliefs were never meant to be stagnant because > > he,she,it or what ever is a living self reveling being and "when you > think > > you know it all, there is more." > > Allan > > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:32 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> First you have to admit whether there is only one Spirit or many > >> spirits ; if there are many spirits then though they are begot by one > >> God , yet they are separate from one another ; if there is only one > >> spirit then the entire creation is an illusion , including the > >> so-called souls , and thus perishable. In that case only God or Self > >> is and the individual selves are just reflections or bubbles and will > >> disappear on death. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, [email protected] > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Hey RP. > >> > > >> > Or...... > >> > > >> > Just as the creation can be said to be the body of God, then all > >> > spirit is the spirit of God. > >> > > >> > If it is true that God created matter from the spirt of God, then all > >> > matter contians the spirit of God. If it is also true that God > >> > created man in Gods image(whatever the hell that means) then it the > >> > spirit of a human is indistinguishable from the spirit of God. > >> > > >> > This my freind is where the illusion of duality occours. We think we > >> > are seperate from God, I would ask how can we be if it is also true > >> > that God permates the creation? > >> > > >> > Is there even one iota of matter or spirt that does not contain God? > >> > > >> > On Jan 27, 2:38 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Don't you see that if the whole creation is the body of God that we > as > >> >> part of this body cannot be the spirit of God , and thus all of us > are > >> >> mortals and it is the spirit that is God . In other words we as part > >> >> of the body of God must bow before the Spirit which is God. Again we > >> >> as part of the body will be turned to ashes whereas the Spirit which > >> >> is God will remain as it is unborn , eternal and indestructible. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst > still > >> >> > alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through > >> >> > understanding when the power to understand is no more? > >> >> > >> >> > I put instead this way. > >> >> > >> >> > We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god > >> >> > is > >> >> > pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of > >> >> > matter > >> >> > nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created > the > >> >> > creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any > >> >> > matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is > your > >> >> > beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in > >> >> > some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. > >> >> > Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of > >> >> > God. > >> >> > >> >> > The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, > >> >> > there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you > >> >> > talk > >> >> > of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more > properly, > >> >> > the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is > >> >> > the objective truth. > >> >> > >> >> > On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's > >> >> >> imagination > >> >> >> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , > liberation > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and > >> >> >> unbreakable bliss. > >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic < > [email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in > >> >> >> > circles > >> >> >> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you > sound > >> >> >> > confused > >> >> >> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on > >> >> >> > just what > >> >> >> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you > begin > >> >> >> > to realize > >> >> >> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is > an > >> >> >> > infinite > >> >> >> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler > >> >> >> > person > >> >> >> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it > >> >> >> > take a life > >> >> >> > time to perfect. > >> >> >> > Allan > >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to > >> >> >> >> them , > >> >> >> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being > >> >> >> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will > merge > >> >> >> >> into > >> >> >> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you > >> >> >> >> > have > >> >> >> >> > nothing > >> >> >> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it > means > >> >> >> >> > little > >> >> >> >> > and I > >> >> >> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work > >> >> >> >> > without > >> >> >> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you > >> >> >> >> > want it to > >> >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I > >> >> >> >> > like work > >> >> >> >> > simply because I enjoy working > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you > >> >> >> >> > understand > >> >> >> >> > what they are actually saying? > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that > >> >> >> >> > applies to > >> >> >> >> > every > >> >> >> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both > >> >> >> >> > body and > >> >> >> >> > soul is > >> >> >> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want > to > >> >> >> >> > call > >> >> >> >> > him.) > >> >> >> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it > is > >> >> >> >> > different. By > >> >> >> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are > >> >> >> >> > responding to God > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and > >> >> >> >> > subtle.If > >> >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of > >> >> >> >> > death and > >> >> >> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation > >> >> >> >> > is? > >> >> >> >> > Allan > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed > >> >> >> >> >> whereas a > >> >> >> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains > >> >> >> >> >> cool and > >> >> >> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all > >> >> >> >> >> worldly > >> >> >> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he > >> >> >> >> >> acts and > >> >> >> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making > efforts > >> >> >> >> >> without > >> >> >> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been > >> >> >> >> >> put forth > >> >> >> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying > >> >> >> >> >> clearly > >> >> >> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as > >> >> >> >> >> if it > >> >> >> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is > >> >> >> >> >> right > >> >> >> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. > >> >> >> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you > >> >> >> >> >> think that > >> >> >> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot > >> >> >> >> >> to learn. > >> >> >> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been > >> >> >> >> >> gathering dust > >> >> >> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes > and > >> >> >> >> >> accept > >> >> >> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for > >> >> >> >> >> > Allan > >> >> >> >> >> > before > >> >> >> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely > >> >> >> >> >> > on the > >> >> >> >> >> > basis > >> >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between > things > >> >> >> >> >> > such > >> >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of > >> >> >> >> >> > spiritual > >> >> >> >> >> > division > >> >> >> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are > speaking > >> >> >> >> >> > of an > >> >> >> >> >> > eternal > >> >> >> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the > greatest > >> >> >> >> >> > height > >> >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> >> > any > >> >> >> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be > >> >> >> >> >> > The truth, > >> >> >> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it > as > >> >> >> >> >> > the only > >> >> >> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also > be > >> >> >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> >> >> > half-truth, > >> >> >> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization > is > >> >> >> >> >> > a mere > >> >> >> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it > is > >> >> >> >> >> > just one > >> >> >> >> >> > step of > >> >> >> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and > >> >> >> >> >> > all of that > >> >> >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> >> >> > fall within another mastery). > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, > >> >> >> >> >> > wherever it > >> >> >> >> >> > may > >> >> >> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many > >> >> >> >> >> > dimensions of > >> >> >> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell > >> >> >> >> >> > I'd flip > >> >> >> >> >> > upside > >> >> >> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we > >> >> >> >> >> > are and > >> >> >> >> >> > what > >> >> >> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take > >> >> >> >> >> > us, or what > >> >> >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I > >> >> >> >> >> > suppose even > >> >> >> >> >> > if > >> >> >> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and > >> >> >> >> >> > many arts so > >> >> >> >> >> > long > >> >> >> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make > >> >> >> >> >> > them- tools > >> >> >> >> >> > handed > >> >> >> >> >> > down for us to build on. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, > >> >> >> >> >> > could you > >> >> >> >> >> > offer > >> >> >> >> >> > more > >> >> >> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn > >> >> >> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when > >> >> >> >> >> > people set > >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them > because > >> >> >> >> >> > they have > >> >> >> >> >> > set > >> >> >> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it > becomes > >> >> >> >> >> > a self > >> >> >> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . > >> >> >> >> >> > Allan > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh > >> >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of > Self-realization > >> >> >> >> >> >> while > >> >> >> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of > self-mastery > >> >> >> >> >> >> , that > >> >> >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and > >> >> >> >> >> >> adverse > >> >> >> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of > >> >> >> >> >> >> detachment > >> >> >> >> >> >> while > >> >> >> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, > >> >> >> >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is > possible > >> >> >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but > >> >> >> >> >> >> > possible. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> competent; some > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> are > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> others > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> despicable; > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> are made > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> go and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> find > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> understood but > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> never > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> experienced while in this body. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> >> >> > ( > >> >> >> >> >> > ) > >> >> >> >> >> > I_D Allan > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >> >> >> >> >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > -- > >> >> > >> >> ... > >> >> > >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > >> >> > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
