On Jan 27, 12:29 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > But there is no duality, just the mistaken insistance that that there > is. >
Agreed. The 'self-realised soul' wouldn't be deceived by the apparent duality/plurality any more than the skilled stage magician is fooled by his own sleight of hand. I have conversations with other people, but that doesn't mean I'm fooled by the geometry of the system. Those of us who 'know' are flat-worlders that really CAN look 'up'. That said, I DON'T, necessarily, view every sequence of circles as proof that the reality is a cylinder or cone. ;-) > On Jan 27, 10:16 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > By salvation of the mind I mean achievement of that state of purity of > > mind which makes a person to be known as a self-realized soul. That is > > the state where a person is nearest to the state of non-duality while > > still being in duality. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > While still in this body you can attain the salvation of the mind by > > > being good , cool , unattached to worldly possessions , and an > > > understanding of reality. After death you can have the salvation of > > > the Spirit and attain to supreme bliss. > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, [email protected] > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Yet earlier you claimed that such liberation cannot come whilst still > > >> alive. How can one understand, or attain salvation through > > >> understanding when the power to understand is no more? > > > >> I put instead this way. > > > >> We are not seperate from God, this is impossible as God is all, god is > > >> pervasive throughout the creation, there exists not one iota of matter > > >> nor of spirit that is not of God. In a very real way God created the > > >> creation out of the spirt of God. That is before there existed any > > >> matter, there was only God in spirit. God uttered Om(if that is your > > >> beliife) or said 'let there be light'(if that is your belife) or in > > >> some manner created out of the spirt (or intelegance) of God. > > >> Literaly then the whole of creation can be said to be the 'body' of > > >> God. > > > >> The trick then is remebering, or realising this fundemantal truth, > > >> there is no duality, we are not seperate from God. The bliss you talk > > >> of is realisation of this, and so God is attained, or more properly, > > >> the truth(sat) is remembered. As we may say Sat Sri Akaal! God is > > >> the objective truth. > > > >> On Jan 25, 3:31 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> When a person realizes that he is just a figment of God's imagination > > >>> and that Brahman alone IS then he attains to salvation , liberation of > > >>> the soul from duality to a state of non-duality , unending and > > >>> unbreakable bliss. > > > >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:06 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > RP you must be awful fearful of death. and you are talking in circles > > >>> > trying to sound like you understand some thing but to me you sound > > >>> > confused > > >>> > and lost and searching for salvation, Sorry RP I fall short on just > > >>> > what > > >>> > this salvation thing is. To simplify it for you RP When you begin to > > >>> > realize > > >>> > you are part of Brahman and because of the simple fact there is an > > >>> > infinite > > >>> > connection,, now all you have to learn is to be a kinder gentler > > >>> > person > > >>> > learning to love others as Brahman loves you, Simple yes, but it take > > >>> > a life > > >>> > time to perfect. > > >>> > Allan > > > >>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> >> For those to whom the idea of death is fearful it is death to them , > > >>> >> but those who recognising the inevitability of death and being > > >>> >> unattached to the various bonds of life see that they will merge into > > >>> >> the One God , attain to the supreme bliss that is Brahman. > > > >>> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > >>> >> wrote: > > >>> >> > Hmm I have read part of it . some what interesting and if you have > > >>> >> > nothing > > >>> >> > else it could be totally fascinating I like work but it means > > >>> >> > little > > >>> >> > and I > > >>> >> > can often times see the purpose, reading what you say work without > > >>> >> > attachment. you make it sound difficult really is it as you want > > >>> >> > it to > > >>> >> > be > > >>> >> > ,, sounds more like an self fulfilling prophecy personally I like > > >>> >> > work > > >>> >> > simply because I enjoy working > > > >>> >> > Yes you often reiterate old teachers , but does that mean you > > >>> >> > understand > > >>> >> > what they are actually saying? > > > >>> >> > RP the purpose and function is to get to know God and that applies > > >>> >> > to > > >>> >> > every > > >>> >> > one, is it going to happen? The entirety of your being both body > > >>> >> > and > > >>> >> > soul is > > >>> >> > totally contained with in God (no matter what name you want to call > > >>> >> > him.) > > >>> >> > the other is to do his will for you and for each person it is > > >>> >> > different. By > > >>> >> > responding to the world around you in reality you are responding > > >>> >> > to God > > >>> >> > the > > >>> >> > creator.These request of God are often times very quiet and > > >>> >> > subtle.If > > >>> >> > you > > >>> >> > don't respond well then you just simple don't. > > > >>> >> > You tell me RP to open my eyes and accept the certainty of death > > >>> >> > and > > >>> >> > salvation. Do you even know what death is and what salvation is? > > >>> >> > Allan > > > >>> >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> >> >> When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a > > >>> >> >> person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool > > >>> >> >> and > > >>> >> >> composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly > > >>> >> >> things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts > > >>> >> >> and > > >>> >> >> behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts > > >>> >> >> without > > >>> >> >> the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put > > >>> >> >> forth > > >>> >> >> by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the > > >>> >> >> bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly > > >>> >> >> enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it > > >>> >> >> were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right > > >>> >> >> there before you and you fail to see it. > > >>> >> >> The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the > > >>> >> >> universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think > > >>> >> >> that > > >>> >> >> you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to > > >>> >> >> learn. > > >>> >> >> You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering > > >>> >> >> dust > > >>> >> >> in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and > > >>> >> >> accept > > >>> >> >> the certainty of death and salvation. > > > >>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >> >> > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan > > >>> >> >> > before > > >>> >> >> > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on > > >>> >> >> > the > > >>> >> >> > basis > > >>> >> >> > of > > >>> >> >> > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things > > >>> >> >> > such > > >>> >> >> > that > > >>> >> >> > we > > >>> >> >> > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual > > >>> >> >> > division > > >>> >> >> > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of > > >>> >> >> > an > > >>> >> >> > eternal > > >>> >> >> > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest > > >>> >> >> > height > > >>> >> >> > that > > >>> >> >> > any > > >>> >> >> > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The > > >>> >> >> > truth, > > >>> >> >> > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as > > >>> >> >> > the only > > >>> >> >> > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a > > >>> >> >> > half-truth, > > >>> >> >> > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a > > >>> >> >> > mere > > >>> >> >> > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is > > >>> >> >> > just one > > >>> >> >> > step of > > >>> >> >> > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all > > >>> >> >> > of that > > >>> >> >> > may > > >>> >> >> > fall within another mastery). > > > >>> >> >> > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, > > >>> >> >> > wherever it > > >>> >> >> > may > > >>> >> >> > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions > > >>> >> >> > of > > >>> >> >> > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd > > >>> >> >> > flip > > >>> >> >> > upside > > >>> >> >> > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are > > >>> >> >> > and > > >>> >> >> > what > > >>> >> >> > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, > > >>> >> >> > or what > > >>> >> >> > we > > >>> >> >> > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I > > >>> >> >> > suppose even > > >>> >> >> > if > > >>> >> >> > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many > > >>> >> >> > arts so > > >>> >> >> > long > > >>> >> >> > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- > > >>> >> >> > tools > > >>> >> >> > handed > > >>> >> >> > down for us to build on. > > > >>> >> >> > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could > > >>> >> >> > you > > >>> >> >> > offer > > >>> >> >> > more > > >>> >> >> > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? > > > >>> >> >> > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > > > >>> >> >> > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn > > >>> >> >> > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people > > >>> >> >> > set > > >>> >> >> > the > > >>> >> >> > conditions for something they can never exceed them because > > >>> >> >> > they have > > >>> >> >> > set > > >>> >> >> > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a > > >>> >> >> > self > > >>> >> >> > fulfilling prophecy . > > >>> >> >> > Allan > > > >>> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > >>> >> >> > wrote: > > > >>> >> >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization > > >>> >> >> >> while > > >>> >> >> >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , > > >>> >> >> >> that > > >>> >> >> >> is > > >>> >> >> >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and > > >>> >> >> >> adverse > > >>> >> >> >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of > > >>> >> >> >> detachment > > >>> >> >> >> while > > >>> >> >> >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. > > > >>> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] > > >>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >> >> >> > I almost agree with you RP. 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