Hey Chuck, It's an interesting thought experiment to consider why we are for or agianst the death penalty. I'll go right ahead and proclaim that I am against it in all case.
Perhaps not for the reasons you might think, and I'll get to them eventualy but I would first like to hear others thoughts. Of course I belive OM (and maybe Amanda?) probably knows my reasoning, he and I, as he keeps telling me, have bashed about a lot of our ideas over the years. On May 12, 11:43 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> wrote: > Not really. I do 3d illustration/animation and video edits. It takes more > than just a little cut & paste to produce a convincing fake. I'm not saying > that it can't be done. I'm sure that there are government agencies with lots > of money to throw around who could do it but I'd be pretty skeptical if > someone's defense rested on conspiracies by men in black. > > As to the justice system, I never said that it was perfect. In fact, I think > it is very flawed. Often cases are prosecuted based not on guilt or > innocence but on political agendas. > > But then as I said before, IMO defendants should never be put on death row > unless the evidence is incontrovertible. > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:52 AM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Oh, and as what is perhaps a shallow argument, video can all too > > easily be edited. > > > And, it is well documented that the US justice system has executed and > > continues to execute many who were/are innocent of the crime involved. > > > On May 11, 11:23 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > I agree that the death penalty should never be used in cases where the > > > evidence is circumstantial. However, in cases where there is no dispute > > (say > > > a video of a guy committing a horrendous crime), I think it should be > > used. > > > This person is a threat to society and his impact on the resources of > > that > > > society should be minimalized. In other words he should be put to death > > as > > > soon and as economically as possible. > > > > That said, I'm absolutely against inhumane treatment. While that person > > may > > > be a monster there is no real justification in tormenting him in his > > final > > > hours or minutes. > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:15 PM, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > I agree that the death penalty isn’t a punishment…although, it is > > > > often torture and ‘cruel and unusual’. It also is not reversible. It > > > > also is misapplied and used all too often against those who are > > > > innocent of the crime involved. > > > > > All of the practical issues aside, to me, if killing is “wrong” > > > > somehow, so is killing a killer. Period. > > > > > On May 11, 10:12 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > I think the word 'deserving' used in this context is kinda silly. > > > > > > Let's start with a simple example. A guy kills somebody in a brutal > > way. > > > > If > > > > > he is already suicidal and wants to die does he 'deserve' to die? > > This > > > > case > > > > > implies that he deserves to be rewarded for a brutal murder. > > > > > > I can't claim to know Bin Laden's mindset at the time of his death > > but > > > > for > > > > > the sake of argument let's say that his one true goal is to be a > > martyr > > > > for > > > > > Allah. Does he deserve martyerdom? > > > > > > The whole idea of death as a punishment is silly. When someone is > > dead > > > > they > > > > > no longer feel punished. IMO, they feel absolutely nothing. > > > > > > Note that doesn't mean that I'm against putting people to death for > > > > crimes > > > > > against society. I just look at the reasoning differently. The death > > > > penalty > > > > > isn't a punishment. It's simply removing a tumor that is detrimental > > to > > > > the > > > > > whole. > > > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, pol.science kid < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > I was reading about natural law..and a though came to my mind ...in > > > > > > connection to revenge...and the concept of 'deserving' what someone > > > > > > gets..recent example osama deserved to die for what he did...what i > > > > > > mean is...is it natural...or universally presumed ...like in the > > > > > > language to 'forgive' ...not give ...give back....give back what is > > > > > > due...the same injury...i cant go into detail at the moment but > > this > > > > > > what the jist is...is it a crude neutralising of equation...is that > > > > > > what it all comes down to in simple terms- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
