In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than of going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive and even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket.
On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. > > > 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and >> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think of >> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. . >> >> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self >>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little >>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of >>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to >>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better >>> world. >>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie >>> Allan >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is >>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely >>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised >>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. >>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was >>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in that >>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, >>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite >>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in >>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the >>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has been >>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list on >>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including >>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow >>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and >>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all >>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. >>> > >>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news >>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we >>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the >>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the >>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon >>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that >>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. >>> > >>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never >>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not >>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic >>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and >>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To discover >>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The >>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could >>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be >>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from >>> > work as means of income? >>> > >>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization >>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not >>> ego- >>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and >>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from other >>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different >>> parts >>> >> of the world. A good example. >>> >> >>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of >>> everything world >>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. >>> >> >>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to >>> >> > > everything world wide >>> >> > > Allan >>> >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 >>> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract >>> term. >>> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined >>> by the >>> >> > > > strongest?) >>> >> >>> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that >>> can get >>> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 >>> Euro and >>> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact >>> price.. but >>> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those >>> benefits >>> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are >>> extremely >>> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their >>> >> > > >> activities.. >>> >> > > >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major >>> powers/ >>> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities >>> among the >>> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our >>> differences >>> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to >>> watch and >>> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men >>> aren't bad >>> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the >>> "other" seemed >>> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is >>> stuff we >>> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism >>> and >>> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about >>> building >>> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited >>> vision of >>> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely >>> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in >>> manufacturing >>> >> > > >> >> for war. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political >>> and >>> >> > > cultural, and >>> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe >>> dream. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an >>> emotional - >>> >> > > mental thing... >>> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal >>> dimensions of any >>> >> > > thing >>> >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, >>> covering >>> >> > > almost >>> >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and >>> economics ... >>> >> > > and to >>> >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in >>> >> > > everything >>> >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their >>> attitudes and >>> >> > > everyday >>> >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. >>> No one >>> >> > > could stand >>> >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, >>> not the >>> >> > > staus >>> >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it >>> factors >>> >> > > in our >>> >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair >>> to the >>> >> > > weakest in >>> >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee >>> Douglas >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, >>> live where >>> >> > > you like, if >>> >> > > >> >> > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle >>> in the Mid >>> >> > > West then go >>> >> > > >> >> > > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land >>> mass >>> >> > > populated and >>> >> > > >> >> > > > with an increasing amount of that population living >>> in urban >>> >> > > environments I >>> >> > > >> >> > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which >>> it's >>> >> > > residents can >>> >> > > >> >> > > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are >>> in fact >>> >> > > making strides >>> >> > > >> >> > > > for sea based habitat. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for >>> reasons of >>> >> > > food >>> >> > > >> >> > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not >>> enough >>> >> > > land mass. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan >>> Heretic >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid >>> west >>> >> > > maybe we >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> can help the people of India resettle into that >>> area..?? >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Lee Douglas < >>> >> > > [email protected]> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Umm myself I can't see globalisation as anything >>> but a good >>> >> > > thing. The >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > sooner we find that our cultural differences do >>> not matter >>> >> > > and we learn >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> to >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > judge the individual(as opposed to the group) the >>> better as >>> >> > > far as I'm >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > concerned. Ultimately it will take global working >>> together >>> >> > > to sort out >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> the >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > worlds ills. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Overpopulation is a concern, but to too much of >>> one at this >>> >> > > moment in >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> time, >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > there are huge tracts of land still to be settled. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 20:22:17 UTC, >>> archytas wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> One of the Faust stories more or less predicts >>> the >>> >> > > mechanism for the >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> rise of Nazi Germany including the funding. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work >>> here was >>> >> > > done >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> centuries >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Allan >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM, "rigsy03" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust >>> was >>> >> > > draining a swamp >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> as >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > part of his spiritual rehab.//Another >>> subject, >>> >> > > however, would be >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> the >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > wetlands and their role in the ecology. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at >>> working with >>> >> > > the sea.. >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> and >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > yes >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > it cost massive supplying its own power >>> amounts of >>> >> > > money.. but >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > land >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > recovery is and can be very beneficial to >>> the >>> >> > > society. We have >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> to >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > protect our dunes to protect our country.. >>> there is >>> >> > > very little >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> sea >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > front property unlike both the east ans >>> west coasts >>> >> > > of the US.. >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > where the coast is used mainly for private >>> >> > > residences >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > The dutch have been using green houses for >>> years >>> >> > > long before >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Israel,, >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one >>> for >>> >> > > producing >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> produce in >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > areas where it is needed like high density >>> cities >>> >> > > where space is >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> at >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > a >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > premium and population is at its maximum.. >>> trying >>> >> > > to bring down >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> the >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > cost of food.. and it is based on >>> hydroponics and >>> >> > > objectively >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> to be >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is >>> not >>> >> > > particularly cheap >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> but >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > as for the benefit of society is extremely >>> valuable. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Some ideas need to be looked at in >>> relationship to >>> >> > > self. >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Allan >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 < >>> >> > > [email protected]> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > Israel has been very successful with >>> greenhouse >>> >> > > agriculture. A >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > nearby >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > restaurant contracted with local >>> homeowners to >>> >> > > grow some fresh >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > produce >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > which might catch on. I consider the >>> labor and >>> >> > > high water >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> usage a >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > negative, however. >>> >> >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> I don't think that will work,, I think >>> your >>> >> > > solution would >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> result in >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> wide spread famine world wide though >>> the >>> >> > > chemical farmers >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> are >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> not the >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> best solution they are not the worst >>> either >>> >> > > from >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> supermarkets >>> >> >>> >> ... >>> >> >>> >> read more ยป >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ( >>> ) >>> |_D Allan >>> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>> >>> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner - >>> >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >>> >> -- >> >> >> >> > > --
