I hope to knit a couple pair of mittens for my grand-daughters after seeing the rubbish and prices but have one more store in mind to check out. But city dwellers are particularly dependent on outside services and in city one really needs a car as neighborhood stores have been eaten by the superstores. As I said to Gabby, I have played the middle in that I enjoyed creating/making but also the creature comforts. Do people still read "The Last Whole Earth Catalogue"?
On Nov 19, 4:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The Internet and other developing technology could break the > gatekeeping hold of Hollywood, television channels, publishers, > corporations and universities/schools. Amongst others I read > Zerohedge, The Real News, Naked Capitalism, Keiser Report and David > Malone's Golem. The problem is quality - not necessarily production > values - and dross. > One can imagine a subscription service (subs would be very small if > the group was large enough) through which we could engage in fair > trade and find ways to organise our own entertainment (including some > production), manufacturing and food, clothes etc. production and > delivery. We could pre-order direct from point of production and > escape such matters as retailing, marketing and transfer pricing > thefts. Initially this would be a bit like the Amish in that any > success would be under an existing umbrella we could tap into during > glitches and rely on to prevent invasion - and we would be working in > the outside, perhaps in the very retailing and the rest our "commune" > would be cutting out as unnecessary costs. I have to say, in the > first place, all we would be doing would be to establish a market > segment. > > On 19 Nov, 20:45, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Molly which one of Merton's books are you reading .. he is quiet > > prolific.. > > Allan > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I don't think that isolating like the Amish (who lead their > > > ethnocentric group with control measures) or focusing on the ills of > > > government, law enforcement or narrow economic pictures give a clear > > > picture of what globalization means to humanity. Ultimately, what is > > > seen in separation, separates us. I feel toward humanity as Thomas > > > Merton: > > > > "There is in all things an inexhaustible sweetness and purity, a > > > silence that is a fountain of action and joy. It rises up in wordless > > > gentleness and flows out of me from unseen roots of all created > > > beings." > > > > The unseen roots unite us, and globalization is spirit in action in > > > the "rising up." How this manifests in our view is largely dependent > > > on our own given focus. If it is dismal we need to feel, we will see > > > the dismal every time. It doesn't change the fact that heaven on > > > earth is ours for the taking. More spirit in action. > > > > "It doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken > > > Hallelujah." Both holy and broken co-exist. Both are holy in the > > > unification. > > > > On Nov 19, 6:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to > > >> the > > >> next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful > > >> example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small > > >> group > > >> to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from natural > > >> updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the > > >> values > > >> of America's European history. > > > >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > >> > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than > > >> > of > > >> > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on > > >> > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the > > >> > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish > > >> > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive > > >> > and > > >> > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is > > >> > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. > > > >> > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > > >> >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. > > > >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > >> >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and > > >> >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can > > >> >>> think of > > >> >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to > > >> >>> sell. . > > > >> >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > >> >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self > > >> >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > > >> >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out > > >> >>>> of > > >> >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > > >> >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a > > >> >>>> better > > >> >>>> world. > > >> >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > > >> >>>> Allan > > > >> >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > > >> >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > > >> >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on > > >> >>>> > centralised > > >> >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > > >> >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > > >> >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in > > >> >>>> that > > >> >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly > > >> >>>> > suggests, > > >> >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the > > >> >>>> > opposite > > >> >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in > > >> >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in > > >> >>>> > the > > >> >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has > > >> >>>> been > > >> >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My > > >> >>>> > list > > >> >>>> on > > >> >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > > >> >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn > > >> >>>> > ow > > >> >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food > > >> >>>> > and > > >> >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all > > >> >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > > >> >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad > > >> >>>> > news > > >> >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > > >> >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst > > >> >>>> > the > > >> >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in > > >> >>>> > the > > >> >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a > > >> >>>> > surgeon > > >> >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that > > >> >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > > >> >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have > > >> >>>> > never > > >> >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but > > >> >>>> > not > > >> >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and > > >> >>>> > chronic > > >> >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD > > >> >>>> > and > > >> >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To > > >> >>>> discover > > >> >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > > >> >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How > > >> >>>> > could > > >> >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would > > >> >>>> > be > > >> >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom > > >> >>>> > from > > >> >>>> > work as means of income? > > > >> >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. > > >> >>>> >> Globalization > > >> >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view > > >> >>>> >> (not > > >> >>>> ego- > > >> >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > > >> >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from > > >> >>>> other > > >> >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different > > >> >>>> parts > > >> >>>> >> of the world. A good example. > > > >> >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of > > >> >>>> everything world > > >> >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > > >> >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > > >> >>>> wrote: > > > >> >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the > > >> >>>> >> > > access to > > >> >>>> >> > > everything world wide > > >> >>>> >> > > Allan > > > >> >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 > > >> >>>> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > > >> >>>> >> > > wrote: > > >> >>>> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an > > >> >>>> >> > > > abstract > > >> >>>> term. > > >> >>>> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be > > >> >>>> >> > > > defined > > >> >>>> by the > > >> >>>> >> > > > strongest?) > > > >> >>>> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>>> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me > > >> >>>> >> > > >> that > > >> >>>> can get > > >> >>>> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over > > >> >>>> >> > > >> 30,000 > > >> >>>> Euro and > > >> >>>> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact > > >> >>>> price.. but > > >> >>>> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. > > > >> >>>> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those > > >> >>>> benefits > > >> >>>> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that > > >> >>>> >> > > >> are > > >> >>>> extremely > > >> >>>> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for > > >> >>>> >> > > >> their > > >> >>>> >> > > >> activities.. > > >> >>>> >> > > >> Allan > > > >> >>>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 > > >> >>>> >> > > >> <[email protected]> > > >> >>>> wrote: > > >> >>>> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major > > >> >>>> powers/ > > >> >>>> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. 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