I see two of my favourite people are auditioning for parts in Batman again = The Riddler.
I'm sure Andrew is right in that we are tranced in some way. I have long wanted to opt out, but noticed over 30 years ago no one ever does. Habermas talks of a lifeworld that can free itself from the systemic - but reading him is tedium even if one agrees. Lukacs and many others made the point long ago, but increasingly I feel the stuff is just more upper-class rot. I would probably talk co-evolution where Molly speaks broken and holy - one can think dialectic too. It's much easier to interest human beings in trinkets than building sustainable communities and bringing violence to an end. Our politics is as inane as any speech in the Athenian Democracy. The holy has hardly worked in an empirical sense. Dropping out is probably a part answer - but it's also the case that our institutions have worked to some extent in comparison with 'noble savage' days that were much more murderous. We have a moral panic over paedophile activity in the UK - one suspects only because Jimmy Saville was a celebrity rather than the damage done to kids. Much old dross is being rolled out and we have enquiries into failed enquiries of the past. As always some august body has announced one in four of us is abused (rubbish) and rolled out old dross like 'we must listen to the children' (what you need to do is listen and then conduct corroborating enquires - this is where one finds oneself blocked or realises the kids are fantacists and some of the experts not what they claim to be). Now people trying to bring the questions to light on the broadcast media (badly) are being sued and Twitter users stuffed. Open enquiry is much more difficult than most imagine and we rarely look at the reasons why. These include false complainants and gossiping turds. Moral panic in the mob. Institutions doing enquiries into themselves. Libel laws (a curate's egg). Lack of skill and knowledge among investigators. False memories and lying. Institutional cover-ups (we must learn the lessons and other drivel) and investigations by so-called independent bodies. Secrecy. Clown legal notions of witness credibility that are sexist, ableist and emotionalist. Nasty mob attitudes towards victims. Institutional discrediting of witnesses through smear campaigns. I dread to think how long this list would be. Political and economic discourse looks to have the same problems. On 19 Nov, 13:03, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think that isolating like the Amish (who lead their > ethnocentric group with control measures) or focusing on the ills of > government, law enforcement or narrow economic pictures give a clear > picture of what globalization means to humanity. Ultimately, what is > seen in separation, separates us. I feel toward humanity as Thomas > Merton: > > "There is in all things an inexhaustible sweetness and purity, a > silence that is a fountain of action and joy. It rises up in wordless > gentleness and flows out of me from unseen roots of all created > beings." > > The unseen roots unite us, and globalization is spirit in action in > the "rising up." How this manifests in our view is largely dependent > on our own given focus. If it is dismal we need to feel, we will see > the dismal every time. It doesn't change the fact that heaven on > earth is ours for the taking. More spirit in action. > > "It doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken > Hallelujah." Both holy and broken co-exist. Both are holy in the > unification. > > On Nov 19, 6:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to the > > next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful > > example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small group > > to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from natural > > updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the values > > of America's European history. > > > 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than of > > > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on > > > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the > > > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish > > > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive and > > > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is > > > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. > > > > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > > >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. > > > >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and > > >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think > > >>> of > > >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. > > >>> . > > > >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self > > >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > > >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of > > >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > > >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better > > >>>> world. > > >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > > >>>> Allan > > > >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > > >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > > >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised > > >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > > >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > > >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in > > >>>> that > > >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, > > >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite > > >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in > > >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the > > >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has > > >>>> been > > >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list > > >>>> on > > >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > > >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow > > >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and > > >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all > > >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > > >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news > > >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > > >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the > > >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the > > >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon > > >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that > > >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > > >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never > > >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not > > >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic > > >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and > > >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To > > >>>> discover > > >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > > >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could > > >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be > > >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from > > >>>> > work as means of income? > > > >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization > > >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not > > >>>> ego- > > >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > > >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from > > >>>> other > > >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different > > >>>> parts > > >>>> >> of the world. A good example. > > > >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of > > >>>> everything world > > >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > > >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to > > >>>> >> > > everything world wide > > >>>> >> > > Allan > > > >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 > > >>>> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > > >>>> >> > > wrote: > > >>>> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract > > >>>> term. > > >>>> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined > > >>>> by the > > >>>> >> > > > strongest?) > > > >>>> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that > > >>>> can get > > >>>> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 > > >>>> Euro and > > >>>> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact > > >>>> price.. but > > >>>> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. > > > >>>> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those > > >>>> benefits > > >>>> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are > > >>>> extremely > > >>>> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their > > >>>> >> > > >> activities.. > > >>>> >> > > >> Allan > > > >>>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major > > >>>> powers/ > > >>>> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities > > >>>> among the > > >>>> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our > > >>>> differences > > >>>> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to > > >>>> watch and > > >>>> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men > > >>>> aren't bad > > >>>> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the > > >>>> "other" seemed > > >>>> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. > > > >>>> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is > > >>>> stuff we > > >>>> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism > > >>>> and > > >>>> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about > > >>>> building > > >>>> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited > > >>>> vision of > > >>>> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely > > >>>> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in > > >>>> manufacturing > > >>>> >> > > >> >> for war. > > > >>>> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. > > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political > > >>>> and > > >>>> >> > > cultural, and > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe > > >>>> dream. > > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an > > >>>> emotional - > > >>>> >> > > mental thing... > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal > > >>>> dimensions of any > > ... > > read more » --
