The great hope is that we'll somehow get together in the right knowledge I guess Allan. I often think the drugs market (illegal) sums up globalisation. The producer countries retain only 3% of the total spend, the money is laundered through banks and is now even being used to repatriate Swiss accounts for an 8% fee. I don't see the situation as hopeless, but can't believe we can do much without changing the social contract substantially. Much globalisation is about races to the bottom on wages and such matters as bank and business regulation.
On Nov 18, 8:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self > centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of > it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better > world. > Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised > > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in that > > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, > > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite > > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in > > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the > > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has been > > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list on > > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow > > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and > > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all > > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news > > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the > > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the > > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon > > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that > > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never > > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not > > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic > > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and > > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To discover > > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could > > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be > > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from > > work as means of income? > > > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization > >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not ego- > >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from other > >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different parts > >> of the world. A good example. > > >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of everything > >> > world > >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to > >> > > everything world wide > >> > > Allan > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected] > >> > > <javascript:>> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract term. > >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined by the > >> > > > strongest?) > > >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that can > >> > > >> get > >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 Euro > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact price.. but > >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. > > >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those benefits > >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are > >> > > >> extremely > >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their > >> > > >> activities.. > >> > > >> Allan > > >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major powers/ > >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities among > >> > > >> > the > >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our > >> > > >> > differences > >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to watch > >> > > >> > and > >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men aren't > >> > > >> > bad > >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the "other" > >> > > >> > seemed > >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. > > >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is stuff > >> > > >> >> we > >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism and > >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about > >> > > >> >> building > >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited vision > >> > > >> >> of > >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely > >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in > >> > > >> >> manufacturing > >> > > >> >> for war. > > >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. > > >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and > >> > > cultural, and > >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe dream. > > >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an emotional - > >> > > mental thing... > >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal dimensions of > >> > > >> >> > > any > >> > > thing > >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, covering > >> > > almost > >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and economics ... > >> > > and to > >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in > >> > > everything > >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes and > >> > > everyday > >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. No one > >> > > could stand > >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, not > >> > > >> >> > > the > >> > > staus > >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it > >> > > >> >> > > factors > >> > > in our > >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair to the > >> > > weakest in > >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! > > >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... > > >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee > >> > > >> >> > > Douglas > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, live > >> > > >> >> > > > where > >> > > you like, if > >> > > >> >> > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in the > >> > > >> >> > > > Mid > >> > > West then go > >> > > >> >> > > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land mass > >> > > populated and > >> > > >> >> > > > with an increasing amount of that population living in > >> > > >> >> > > > urban > >> > > environments I > >> > > >> >> > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which it's > >> > > residents can > >> > > >> >> > > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in fact > >> > > making strides > >> > > >> >> > > > for sea based habitat. > > >> > > >> >> > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for reasons > >> > > >> >> > > > of > >> > > food > >> > > >> >> > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not enough > >> > > land mass. > > >> > > >> >> > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan Heretic > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid west > >> > > maybe we > >> > > >> >> > > >> can help the people of India resettle into that area..?? > >> > > >> >> > > >> Allan > > >> > > >> >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Lee Douglas < > >> > > [email protected]> > >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > > >> > Umm myself I can't see globalisation as anything but a > >> > > >> >> > > >> > good > >> > > thing. The > >> > > >> >> > > >> > sooner we find that our cultural differences do not > >> > > >> >> > > >> > matter > >> > > and we learn > >> > > >> >> > > >> to > >> > > >> >> > > >> > judge the individual(as opposed to the group) the > >> > > >> >> > > >> > better as > >> > > far as I'm > >> > > >> >> > > >> > concerned. Ultimately it will take global working > >> > > >> >> > > >> > together > >> > > to sort out > >> > > >> >> > > >> the > >> > > >> >> > > >> > worlds ills. > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > Overpopulation is a concern, but to too much of one at > >> > > >> >> > > >> > this > >> > > moment in > >> > > >> >> > > >> time, > >> > > >> >> > > >> > there are huge tracts of land still to be settled. > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 20:22:17 UTC, archytas > >> > > >> >> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> One of the Faust stories more or less predicts the > >> > > mechanism for the > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> rise of Nazi Germany including the funding. > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work here > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > was > >> > > done > >> > > >> >> > > >> centuries > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. > > ... > > read more » --
