Did you eat your parsnips as a lad? Mother used to fix them for my father and think they have made somewhat of a comeback.
On Nov 19, 3:22 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I was thinking of our north country expression 'opinion butters no > parsnips'. > > On 19 Nov, 05:36, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes- we have globalized opinions leading to riots, strikes, wars, > > character assassinations, etc. Opinions do not put bread on the table > > or a chicken in the pot ( but some states are embracing pot- might be > > a good source of revenue). So rather than a global benefit, a good > > deal of recent tech advancement is still for profit and spurred by > > individual or national/ethnic self-interest. We are still letting poor > > leaders off the hook who should be the ones taking care of/guiding > > their own people. In fact, globalization may make matters worse. (Will > > have to think about this.) > > > On Nov 18, 2:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self > > > centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > > > concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of > > > it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > > > be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better > > > world. > > > Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > > > > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > > > > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised > > > > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > > > > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > > > > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in that > > > > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, > > > > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite > > > > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in > > > > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the > > > > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has been > > > > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list on > > > > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > > > > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow > > > > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and > > > > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all > > > > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > > > > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news > > > > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > > > > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the > > > > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the > > > > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon > > > > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that > > > > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > > > > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never > > > > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not > > > > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic > > > > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and > > > > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To discover > > > > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > > > > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could > > > > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be > > > > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from > > > > work as means of income? > > > > > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization > > > >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not ego- > > > >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > > > >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from other > > > >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different parts > > > >> of the world. A good example. > > > > >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of > > > >> > everything world > > > >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > > > >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to > > > >> > > everything world wide > > > >> > > Allan > > > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected] > > > >> > > <javascript:>> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract > > > >> > > > term. > > > >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined > > > >> > > > by the > > > >> > > > strongest?) > > > > >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that > > > >> > > >> can get > > > >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 > > > >> > > >> Euro and > > > >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact price.. > > > >> > > >> but > > > >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. > > > > >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those > > > >> > > >> benefits > > > >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are > > > >> > > >> extremely > > > >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their > > > >> > > >> activities.. > > > >> > > >> Allan > > > > >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > >> > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major > > > >> > > >> > powers/ > > > >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities > > > >> > > >> > among the > > > >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our > > > >> > > >> > differences > > > >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to > > > >> > > >> > watch and > > > >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men > > > >> > > >> > aren't bad > > > >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the > > > >> > > >> > "other" seemed > > > >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. > > > > >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is > > > >> > > >> >> stuff we > > > >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism and > > > >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about > > > >> > > >> >> building > > > >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited > > > >> > > >> >> vision of > > > >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely > > > >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in > > > >> > > >> >> manufacturing > > > >> > > >> >> for war. > > > > >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. > > > > >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and > > > >> > > cultural, and > > > >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe > > > >> > > >> >> > > dream. > > > > >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an > > > >> > > >> >> > > emotional - > > > >> > > mental thing... > > > >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal > > > >> > > >> >> > > dimensions of any > > > >> > > thing > > > >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, > > > >> > > >> >> > > covering > > > >> > > almost > > > >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and > > > >> > > >> >> > > economics ... > > > >> > > and to > > > >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in > > > >> > > everything > > > >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes > > > >> > > >> >> > > and > > > >> > > everyday > > > >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > > > >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. > > > >> > > >> >> > > No one > > > >> > > could stand > > > >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, > > > >> > > >> >> > > not the > > > >> > > staus > > > >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it > > > >> > > >> >> > > factors > > > >> > > in our > > > >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair > > > >> > > >> >> > > to the > > > >> > > weakest in > > > >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! > > > > >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... > > > > >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee > > > >> > > >> >> > > Douglas > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, > > > >> > > >> >> > > > live where > > > >> > > you like, if > > > >> > > >> >> > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in > > > >> > > >> >> > > > the Mid > > > >> > > West then go > > > >> > > >> >> > > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land > > > >> > > >> >> > > > mass > > > >> > > populated and > > > >> > > >> >> > > > with an increasing amount of that population living in > > > >> > > >> >> > > > urban > > > >> > > environments I > > > >> > > >> >> > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which > > > >> > > >> >> > > > it's > > > >> > > residents can > > > >> > > >> >> > > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in > > > >> > > >> >> > > > fact > > > >> > > making strides > > > >> > > >> >> > > > for sea based habitat. > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for > > > >> > > >> >> > > > reasons of > > > >> > > food > > > >> > > >> >> > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not > > > >> > > >> >> > > > enough > > > >> > > land mass. > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan > > > >> > > >> >> > > > Heretic > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> west > > > >> > > maybe we > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> can help the people of India resettle into that > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> area..?? > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Allan > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
