Andrew if you are using drugs you need to get far far away from them they are of little value, Allan
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and > schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think of > is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. . > > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self >> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little >> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of >> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to >> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better >> world. >> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie >> Allan >> >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is >> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely >> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised >> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. >> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was >> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in that >> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, >> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite >> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in >> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the >> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has been >> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list on >> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including >> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow >> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and >> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all >> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. >> > >> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news >> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we >> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the >> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the >> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon >> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that >> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. >> > >> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never >> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not >> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic >> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and >> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To discover >> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The >> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could >> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be >> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from >> > work as means of income? >> > >> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization >> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not ego- >> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and >> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from other >> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different parts >> >> of the world. A good example. >> >> >> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of everything >> >> > world >> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. >> >> >> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> >> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to >> >> > > everything world wide >> >> > > Allan >> >> >> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected] >> >> > > <javascript:>> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract >> >> > > > term. >> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined by >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > strongest?) >> >> >> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that >> >> > > >> can get >> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 >> >> > > >> Euro and >> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact price.. >> >> > > >> but >> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. >> >> >> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those >> >> > > >> benefits >> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are >> >> > > >> extremely >> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their >> >> > > >> activities.. >> >> > > >> Allan >> >> >> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> >> > > >> wrote: >> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major >> >> > > >> > powers/ >> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities >> >> > > >> > among the >> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our >> >> > > >> > differences >> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to >> >> > > >> > watch and >> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men >> >> > > >> > aren't bad >> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the "other" >> >> > > >> > seemed >> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. >> >> >> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is >> >> > > >> >> stuff we >> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism and >> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about >> >> > > >> >> building >> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited >> >> > > >> >> vision of >> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely >> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in >> >> > > >> >> manufacturing >> >> > > >> >> for war. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and >> >> > > cultural, and >> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe >> >> > > >> >> > > dream. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an emotional >> >> > > >> >> > > - >> >> > > mental thing... >> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal dimensions >> >> > > >> >> > > of any >> >> > > thing >> >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, >> >> > > >> >> > > covering >> >> > > almost >> >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and economics >> >> > > >> >> > > ... >> >> > > and to >> >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in >> >> > > everything >> >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes >> >> > > >> >> > > and >> >> > > everyday >> >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. No >> >> > > >> >> > > one >> >> > > could stand >> >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, >> >> > > >> >> > > not the >> >> > > staus >> >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it >> >> > > >> >> > > factors >> >> > > in our >> >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair to >> >> > > >> >> > > the >> >> > > weakest in >> >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee >> >> > > >> >> > > Douglas >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, live >> >> > > >> >> > > > where >> >> > > you like, if >> >> > > >> >> > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in >> >> > > >> >> > > > the Mid >> >> > > West then go >> >> > > >> >> > > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land >> >> > > >> >> > > > mass >> >> > > populated and >> >> > > >> >> > > > with an increasing amount of that population living in >> >> > > >> >> > > > urban >> >> > > environments I >> >> > > >> >> > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which >> >> > > >> >> > > > it's >> >> > > residents can >> >> > > >> >> > > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in >> >> > > >> >> > > > fact >> >> > > making strides >> >> > > >> >> > > > for sea based habitat. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for >> >> > > >> >> > > > reasons of >> >> > > food >> >> > > >> >> > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not >> >> > > >> >> > > > enough >> >> > > land mass. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan >> >> > > >> >> > > > Heretic >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid >> >> > > >> >> > > >> west >> >> > > maybe we >> >> > > >> >> > > >> can help the people of India resettle into that >> >> > > >> >> > > >> area..?? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Allan >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Lee Douglas < >> >> > > [email protected]> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Umm myself I can't see globalisation as anything but >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > a good >> >> > > thing. The >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > sooner we find that our cultural differences do not >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > matter >> >> > > and we learn >> >> > > >> >> > > >> to >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > judge the individual(as opposed to the group) the >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > better as >> >> > > far as I'm >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > concerned. Ultimately it will take global working >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > together >> >> > > to sort out >> >> > > >> >> > > >> the >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > worlds ills. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Overpopulation is a concern, but to too much of one >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > at this >> >> > > moment in >> >> > > >> >> > > >> time, >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > there are huge tracts of land still to be settled. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 20:22:17 UTC, archytas >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> One of the Faust stories more or less predicts the >> >> > > mechanism for the >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> rise of Nazi Germany including the funding. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > here was >> >> > > done >> >> > > >> >> > > >> centuries >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Allan >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM, "rigsy03" >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > was >> >> > > draining a swamp >> >> > > >> >> > > >> as >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > part of his spiritual rehab.//Another subject, >> >> > > however, would be >> >> > > >> >> > > >> the >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > wetlands and their role in the ecology. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > <[email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > working with >> >> > > the sea.. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> and >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > yes >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > it cost massive supplying its own power >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > amounts of >> >> > > money.. but >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > land >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > recovery is and can be very beneficial to the >> >> > > society. We have >> >> > > >> >> > > >> to >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > protect our dunes to protect our country.. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > there is >> >> > > very little >> >> > > >> >> > > >> sea >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > front property unlike both the east ans west >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > coasts >> >> > > of the US.. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > where the coast is used mainly for private >> >> > > residences >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > The dutch have been using green houses for >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > years >> >> > > long before >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Israel,, >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > for >> >> > > producing >> >> > > >> >> > > >> produce in >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > areas where it is needed like high density >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > cities >> >> > > where space is >> >> > > >> >> > > >> at >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > a >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > premium and population is at its maximum.. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > trying >> >> > > to bring down >> >> > > >> >> > > >> the >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > cost of food.. and it is based on >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > hydroponics and >> >> > > objectively >> >> > > >> >> > > >> to be >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is not >> >> > > particularly cheap >> >> > > >> >> > > >> but >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > as for the benefit of society is extremely >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > valuable. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Some ideas need to be looked at in >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > relationship to >> >> > > self. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Allan >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 < >> >> > > [email protected]> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > Israel has been very successful with >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > greenhouse >> >> > > agriculture. A >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > nearby >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > restaurant contracted with local homeowners >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > to >> >> > > grow some fresh >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > produce >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > which might catch on. I consider the labor >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > and >> >> > > high water >> >> > > >> >> > > >> usage a >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > negative, however. >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > <[email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> I don't think that will work,, I think >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> your >> >> > > solution would >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> result in >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> wide spread famine world wide though the >> >> > > chemical farmers >> >> > > >> >> > > >> are >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> not the >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> best solution they are not the worst >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> either >> >> > > from >> >> > > >> >> > > >> supermarkets >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> read more ยป >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> I am a Natural Airgunner - >> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
