Molly which one of Merton's books are you reading .. he is quiet prolific.. Allan
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think that isolating like the Amish (who lead their > ethnocentric group with control measures) or focusing on the ills of > government, law enforcement or narrow economic pictures give a clear > picture of what globalization means to humanity. Ultimately, what is > seen in separation, separates us. I feel toward humanity as Thomas > Merton: > > "There is in all things an inexhaustible sweetness and purity, a > silence that is a fountain of action and joy. It rises up in wordless > gentleness and flows out of me from unseen roots of all created > beings." > > The unseen roots unite us, and globalization is spirit in action in > the "rising up." How this manifests in our view is largely dependent > on our own given focus. If it is dismal we need to feel, we will see > the dismal every time. It doesn't change the fact that heaven on > earth is ours for the taking. More spirit in action. > > "It doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken > Hallelujah." Both holy and broken co-exist. Both are holy in the > unification. > > On Nov 19, 6:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to the >> next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful >> example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small group >> to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from natural >> updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the values >> of America's European history. >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than of >> > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on >> > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the >> > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish >> > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive and >> > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is >> > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. >> >> > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: >> >> >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. >> >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> >> >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and >> >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think >> >>> of >> >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. . >> >> >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self >> >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little >> >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of >> >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to >> >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better >> >>>> world. >> >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie >> >>>> Allan >> >> >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is >> >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely >> >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised >> >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. >> >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was >> >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in >> >>>> that >> >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, >> >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite >> >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in >> >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the >> >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has >> >>>> been >> >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list >> >>>> on >> >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including >> >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow >> >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and >> >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all >> >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. >> >> >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news >> >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we >> >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the >> >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the >> >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon >> >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that >> >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. >> >> >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never >> >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not >> >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic >> >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and >> >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To >> >>>> discover >> >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The >> >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could >> >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be >> >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from >> >>>> > work as means of income? >> >> >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization >> >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not >> >>>> ego- >> >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and >> >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from >> >>>> other >> >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different >> >>>> parts >> >>>> >> of the world. A good example. >> >> >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of >> >>>> everything world >> >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. >> >> >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to >> >>>> >> > > everything world wide >> >>>> >> > > Allan >> >> >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 >> >>>> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> >> >>>> >> > > wrote: >> >>>> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract >> >>>> term. >> >>>> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined >> >>>> by the >> >>>> >> > > > strongest?) >> >> >>>> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that >> >>>> can get >> >>>> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 >> >>>> Euro and >> >>>> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact >> >>>> price.. but >> >>>> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. >> >> >>>> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those >> >>>> benefits >> >>>> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are >> >>>> extremely >> >>>> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their >> >>>> >> > > >> activities.. >> >>>> >> > > >> Allan >> >> >>>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major >> >>>> powers/ >> >>>> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities >> >>>> among the >> >>>> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our >> >>>> differences >> >>>> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to >> >>>> watch and >> >>>> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men >> >>>> aren't bad >> >>>> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the >> >>>> "other" seemed >> >>>> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. >> >> >>>> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is >> >>>> stuff we >> >>>> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism >> >>>> and >> >>>> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about >> >>>> building >> >>>> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited >> >>>> vision of >> >>>> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely >> >>>> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in >> >>>> manufacturing >> >>>> >> > > >> >> for war. >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political >> >>>> and >> >>>> >> > > cultural, and >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe >> >>>> dream. >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an >> >>>> emotional - >> >>>> >> > > mental thing... >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal >> >>>> dimensions of any >> >>>> >> > > thing >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, >> >>>> covering >> >>>> >> > > almost >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and >> >>>> economics ... >> >>>> >> > > and to >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in >> >>>> >> > > everything >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their >> >>>> attitudes and >> >>>> >> > > everyday >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. >> >>>> No one >> >>>> >> > > could stand >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and >> >>>> subscribers, not the >> >>>> >> > > staus >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it >> >>>> factors >> >>>> >> > > in our >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair >> >>>> to the >> >>>> >> > > weakest in >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, >> >>>> Lee Douglas >> >>>> >> > > wrote: >> >> >>>> >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, >> >>>> live where >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
