After the Latin ritual was dismissed, many of us left and never warmed to the vernacular and guitars, etc. Now it reminds me of "A Fish Called Wanda" where I think the female longs to be seduced in Latin.
On Nov 20, 1:45 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > my view of the sacraments and rituals were far different years ago and > do seethe importance of them.. you can buy the missal, actually all > the official prayer books for your phone if you have android.. don't > know about apple as I don't have one.. > > I used to love the prayers and Mass,, then evolution of beliefs > started again, with my vacation to Malta. An very interesting truth > saw reveled since then it does not read the same.. > > oddly though my beliefs have returned full circle from where I started > 45+ years ago with a vision involving Jesus.. the The vision is still > valid but my interpretation of "I am the way the light and the truth." > has changed. > > I am studying in a way the same thing.. The Buddhist teaching are > very correct.. in the path of salvation,, (looked up a word, only to > find it actually meant something different than what I had gained as > its meaning,) It was said that in the years before Jesus started > teaching he had traveled to India, I see tremendous similarities in > his teachings and those of Buddha.. I also see the influence of > people wanting a short cut to spirituality. > > Though I never read or knew Merton I did have the privilege of > talking with people that did know him.. I could not afford his books > at the time. > > Oddly I do believe with globalization and the greater access to > knowledge, beliefs are starting to change again. I see it in myself > and what is saw as the very core and foundation of belief. > Alllan > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > My husband and I are both reading seven story mountain, and I bought a > > few more for Christmas presents: No Man is an Island; New Seeds of > > Contemplation; Contemplative prayer. I admire his translation of the > > sacraments and rituals to internal processes. > > > What is often missed, is that the notion of heaven on earth does not > > ignore human shortcoming or suffering. It integrates and recognizes. > > Like a Bodhisattva, joyfully participating in the sorrows of the > > world. Allowing each his own, and knowing and feeling the connection > > of all. I don't dwell in despair. That doesn't mean it does not exist > > in the world. I work every day in downtown Detroit. And see much, > > but don't worry about the wrong or right of it. I just work each day > > in joy. People smile when they see (and feel) a genuine smile. > > > On Nov 19, 3:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Molly which one of Merton's books are you reading .. he is quiet > >> prolific.. > >> Allan > > >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I don't think that isolating like the Amish (who lead their > >> > ethnocentric group with control measures) or focusing on the ills of > >> > government, law enforcement or narrow economic pictures give a clear > >> > picture of what globalization means to humanity. Ultimately, what is > >> > seen in separation, separates us. I feel toward humanity as Thomas > >> > Merton: > > >> > "There is in all things an inexhaustible sweetness and purity, a > >> > silence that is a fountain of action and joy. It rises up in wordless > >> > gentleness and flows out of me from unseen roots of all created > >> > beings." > > >> > The unseen roots unite us, and globalization is spirit in action in > >> > the "rising up." How this manifests in our view is largely dependent > >> > on our own given focus. If it is dismal we need to feel, we will see > >> > the dismal every time. It doesn't change the fact that heaven on > >> > earth is ours for the taking. More spirit in action. > > >> > "It doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken > >> > Hallelujah." Both holy and broken co-exist. Both are holy in the > >> > unification. > > >> > On Nov 19, 6:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to > >> >> the > >> >> next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful > >> >> example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small > >> >> group > >> >> to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from > >> >> natural > >> >> updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the > >> >> values > >> >> of America's European history. > > >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > >> >> > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than > >> >> > of > >> >> > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on > >> >> > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the > >> >> > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The > >> >> > Amish > >> >> > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive > >> >> > and > >> >> > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is > >> >> > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. > > >> >> > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > >> >> >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. > > >> >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and > >> >> >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can > >> >> >>> think of > >> >> >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to > >> >> >>> sell. . > > >> >> >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >> >> >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many > >> >> >>>> self > >> >> >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > >> >> >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming > >> >> >>>> out of > >> >> >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > >> >> >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a > >> >> >>>> better > >> >> >>>> world. > >> >> >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > >> >> >>>> Allan > > >> >> >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > >> >> >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > >> >> >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on > >> >> >>>> > centralised > >> >> >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > >> >> >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > >> >> >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in > >> >> >>>> that > >> >> >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly > >> >> >>>> > suggests, > >> >> >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the > >> >> >>>> > opposite > >> >> >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing > >> >> >>>> > in > >> >> >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in > >> >> >>>> > the > >> >> >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has > >> >> >>>> been > >> >> >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My > >> >> >>>> > list > >> >> >>>> on > >> >> >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > >> >> >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I > >> >> >>>> > kn ow > >> >> >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food > >> >> >>>> > and > >> >> >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on > >> >> >>>> > all > >> >> >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > >> >> >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad > >> >> >>>> > news > >> >> >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > >> >> >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst > >> >> >>>> > the > >> >> >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in > >> >> >>>> > the > >> >> >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a > >> >> >>>> > surgeon > >> >> >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge > >> >> >>>> > that > >> >> >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > >> >> >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have > >> >> >>>> > never > >> >> >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but > >> >> >>>> > not > >> >> >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and > >> >> >>>> > chronic > >> >> >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD > >> >> >>>> > and > >> >> >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To > >> >> >>>> discover > >> >> >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > >> >> >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How > >> >> >>>> > could > >> >> >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What > >> >> >>>> > would be > >> >> >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom > >> >> >>>> > from > >> >> >>>> > work as means of income? > > >> >> >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. > >> >> >>>> >> Globalization > >> >> >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view > >> >> >>>> >> (not > >> >> >>>> ego- > >> >> >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > >> >> >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from > >> >> >>>> other > >> >> >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different > >> >> >>>> parts > >> >> >>>> >> of the world. A good example. > > >> >> >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > >> >> >>>> >> wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of > >> >> >>>> everything world > >> >> >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > >> >> >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > >> >> >>>> wrote: > > >> >> >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the > >> >> >>>> >> > > access to > >> >> >>>> >> > > everything world wide > >> >> >>>> >> > > Allan > > >> >> >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
