I'm sure you're right. The generation gap is likely more language than anything else. Words have meaning, but that meaning changes.
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 1:23 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Word usage and meaning is not a static thing, Chris. The big boy or big > girl pattern identifies you as not raised or reflected on ageism, sexism > and hierarchical Macht (power, potency, force) dimensions in communication > in general. You are fine in your local ecosystem with that. > That's what it translates to me. I doubt your children will use it the > old-school way you do. > > Am Sonntag, 8. März 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : > >> I suppose the demeaning part just doesn't translate. "You're a big boy" >> is a pretty common phrase in use here when describing someone's competence >> or capability, not maturity or intelligence. >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Allan already admitted he was using it as a way to tell Gabby to grow >>> up. If you call a grown woman a big girl or girl, it is demeaning because >>> you are implying they are immature or not as intelligent. If you call a >>> three year old a big girl, they may appreciate you noticing that they are >>> growing up. No brainer. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:15:27 PM UTC-4, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>>> Hold up, now, there has to be SOME understanding of colloquial use of >>>> language if there's any hope to achieve common ground. "Big boy" and "Big >>>> girl" are very much colloquial ways to describe someone who is grown up and >>>> capable of taking care of themselves. It's not specifically gendered for >>>> the purpose of gender, and it's not the same casual usage of "girl" which >>>> causes offense to those sensitive to such. >>>> >>>> The language police have become much more aggressive, I see. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Allan, calling a woman a girl is well known to be gender insensitive. >>>> If you don't think so, suggest you brush up or this may not be the last >>>> time you are called out for it. If indeed we are all supportive for human >>>> rights, we can bring ourselves to be sensitive to what the other feels when >>>> bearing the brunt of our words. Here in the states, calling a man a boy can >>>> get you in a great deal of trouble depending on the color of your skin and >>>> the region that your feet are currently planted upon. Words do matter, and >>>> claiming what is said is said in jest or is insignificant is an age old way >>>> to discount the reality of inequity, and always shows itself to be exactly >>>> what it is to people with attitudes that truly support human rights. So >>>> many of our words come to us through social conditioning, we don't >>>> understand the origin or inequity. It is incumbent on each of us to try. >>>> Tolerance of biased or abusive attitudes creates cultures of inequity. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> To me all " big girl " is saying is she is an adult and of female >>>> gender.. nothing more.. unless may be grow up. No different some one >>>> telling me I am a big boy.. >>>> >>>> But if i say the sun is shining Gabby is offended.. if she is offended >>>> i will stop using it.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 4:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. >>>> >>>> Also, I have to go with Gabby on this one. Calling her a big girl is >>>> gender insensitive and demeaning. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 11:27:40 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> I am trying to find out why our big girl Gabby is so bothered be me?? >>>> Is Gabby's soul felling a bit guilty over what..that is a real question.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 4:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. >>>> >>>> Do you have false teeth by any chance Gabby? If so, could you have a >>>> second set made, then you could leave them in situ after biting his ass, >>>> and save the rest of us from the thiedium? >>>> >>>> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 2:05:11 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> Big girl - that's not my wording, not my style, not how I view myself. >>>> It's true, I was trying to make a constructive suggestion to get us out >>>> of your barking at us and twisting our words to draw the focus of attention >>>> to your soul perspective. Can you think of another solution so we others do >>>> not have to constantly feel attacked? >>>> >>>> Am Sonntag, 8. März 2015 schrieb : >>>> >>>> If you want the topic opened, open it Gabby. You keep telling me you >>>> are a big girl.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 2:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. >>>> >>>> Soul is a place holder for "guilty conscious" in this context here, I >>>> suppose. I suggest you open a thread with the header "soul" and you collect >>>> all the different meanings you have identified us others associate with it. >>>> We would also profit from it by being able to go there when in need of >>>> translation options for your "soul" usage. And you could be sure it was >>>> your very own translation that is being used by the others. What do you >>>> think? >>>> >>>> Am Sonntag, 8. März 2015 schrieb : >>>> >>>> When people do wrong knowing they justify it because their soul knows >>>> it is wrong and they should not be doing it. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 8:57 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. >>>> >>>> Sure Allan, but these criminals seek excuses to justify themselves to >>>> others and themselves. As a matter of fact there is no excuse for any crime >>>> and a criminal has to bear the consequences of his act. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:02 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is no justification for rape in any form or of any gender. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 3:36 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: We are going backwards. >>>> >>>> The women dressing sense developed in the west gradually and it was not >>>> copying others but an indigenous matter and as it was a gradual process the >>>> western society as a whole was able to accept it. But in India it was not >>>> so, some educated girls started copying the west and Indian society as a >>>> whole was not prepared for it, and that is the reason that some backward >>>> sections of our society find it unacceptable, but still it has nothing to >>>> do with rape, which is a criminal act and done by criminal people. The >>>> reasons that such people give for it is just a justification for their >>>> criminal deed and not the real reason. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:21 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> The argument that there are rapes in India because girls are not raised >>>> up as equals with comparison to boys is not correct. If today girls are >>>> entering into the workforce is not as a result of girls asserting >>>> themselves but because their families are giving them a chance to make a >>>> career for themselves. The parents, brothers, and husbands are co-operating >>>> with the girls, they are encouraging the girls to go out and become career >>>> girls and this is not limited to just the urban population but also >>>> applicable to villagers. Consider the position of women a few centuries >>>> back in Europe and America, they were just housewives and were not >>>> encouraged to become doctors and engineers. 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