Ron,
The questions can be as follows:
Why do you value s/o laden in preintellect?
What is preintellect to you?
What does SOM mean to you? (It has been
given thought by me as to what it is and I don't
non-thoughtfully reject it.)
What do you mean by what you said (from below) as
follows:
> "how I contend that it is as s/o laden as
conceptual thought or
> that how MOQ attributes reality as contained in the
conceptual as
> having subjective idealists paralelles"
follow your heart,
SA
[Ron]
> Dr. McWatt,
> I find it interesting how you can jump in start a
> pissing contest yet you're no
> where to be found in regard to the subject of the
> thread, Preintellect, how I contend
> that it is as s/o laden as conceptual thought or
> that how MOQ attributes reality as contained
> in the conceptual as having subjective idealists
> paralelles (which is usually neatly met with
> MOQ does not term subject in the same context so it
> does not apply). I state these are ideas
> to consider when interpreting the MOQ, It seems
> though that too many are accustomed to
> their self relagated status of elevated awareness
> above SOM and neatly dispatch any concept
> that does not match their own interpretation of MOQ
> as being lost in the convention of SOM.
>
> I would rather not see the MOQ discuss be the refuge
> of intellectual cowardace.
>
> I expect the retort to blot out the sun.
> I suppose I'll have to reason in the shade.
>
> Respectfully yours
> -Ron
>
> p.s. Platt did have a contendable point regardless
> of any personel distain of his ideals,
> Bertrum Russell says flatly,"Belief in the existence
> of things outside my own biography...
> must be regarded as a prejudice." But our
> justification of such belief is pragmatic: we
> survive and
> act successfully in the world by assuming it. I
> agree with Peirce, "Let us not pretend to doubt
> in philosophy what we do not doubt in our hearts."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ant McWatt
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MD] subject / object logic
>
> Platt was talking to Ron Kulp September 17th:
>
> Admittedly I haven't been following your discussion
> with SA and David all that closely, but for what
> it's worth I agree with the thrust of your argument
> here. As I've argued with Ant, it seems that some
> here as well as Pirsig will bring the mystic
> viewpoint into the conversation when it seems to
> suit them...
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Platt,
>
> Interesting, so where exactly do you think Pirsig
> brings the mystic viewpoint "into the conversation"
> when it seems just to suit him?
>
> I think you actually meant to say "As I've tried to
> avoid arguing with Ant (and S-A), it seems that less
> enlightened people (in relation to world poverty,
> global warming, etc.) will often ignore the mystic
> viewpoint as it suits their selfish lifestyle to do
> so."
>
> Platt continued his propaganda:
>
> While at the same time denying that the mystic
> viewpoint is of much use in the "everyday world"
> where we ride motorcycles, drink beer and pick up
> bar ladies (assuming we're not married of course).
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> I hadn't noticed that "assuming we're not married"
> qualification in ZMM before. You'll also have to
> point that out to me Platt. :-) Anyway, the mystic
> or Dynamic viewpoint is useful because, for example,
> it helps us see that everything is all inter-related
> so deters one from picking-up a bar lady when
> married because if everyone behaved that way, family
> stability (and hence wider society) would eventually
> be undermined.
>
> Mr Self-righteous continued:
>
> I don't know about [those evil Buddhist monks,
> left-wing academics and hippies] but the everyday
> world to me is the "real" world where I live, love,
> paint and will eventually depart from. The mystic
> world of drugs, dreams and illusions is all very
> well if living in a monastery is your idea of the
> good life.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> So that's what all those monks are up to? Book me
> in!
>
> Platt continued his self-righteous lecture:
>
> Personally, like Pirsig, I'd rather be on an
> expensive boat cruising down the Hudson River eating
> steak and, when arriving in NYC, staying at the Ritz
> Plaza using money I've earned from my books.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Personally, like Pirsig, I don't see someone having
> an expensive yacht cruising down the Hudson River
> eating steak etc., from their own hard work and, on
> the other hand, being a mystic, having dreams and
> "tools" to reach more enlightened states as mutually
> exclusive. The MOQ "good life" has a balance of
> both "static" and "Dynamic" elements to it.
>
> Platt concluded:
>
> In any case, you are not alone in your assessment of
> "reality." Sometimes it's good to know you are not
> the only one who has no doubt that he is planted
> firmly on the seat of a speeding bike while enjoying
> the beauty of a passing scene.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Then suddenly Ron wakes up and realises he was just
> dreaming...
>
> Good dream though.
>
>
>
> .
>
>
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