Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> [Arlo had asked]
> Thoughts are "real"? I wonder if my thought of a glass of water will
> keep my from dehydrating?
>
> [Platt]
> Since you intimate that what you "wonder" isn't real, no need for
> anyone to pay attention to that or anything else you say.
>
> [Arlo]
> First, you never pay attention to what I say (as evidenced again here
> by your reply). Second, good luck having your "real" thoughts of
> water keep you from getting dehydrated.
Now I know why it's fruitless to pay attention to anything you say. What you
say is illusory. Second, my real thoughts will lead me to assuaging my thirst
with a real glass of water. That you don't see the connection between the
physical
and mental worlds is not surprising considering your other mindsets.
> [Platt]
> It's like what Roger Scruton said about postmodernists. "They ask you
> not to believe them. So don't."
>
> [Arlo]
> Since Pirsig's philosophy is "postmodern", I assume you don't believe
> him either.
Pirsig's philosophy is postmodern only in the sense that it's unique. Any
relation
of the MOQ to postmodernism as described by Rorty and others is purely in your
illusory imagination.
> [Arlo had said]
> But the "self" is a "reality" no more than a memory of a painting, or
> the recollection of hearing a beautiful sonnet.
>
> [Platt]
> Oh brother. Now memories aren't real.
>
> [Arlo]
> No, both memories and the self are equally "real", and equally
> "illusory", and are existentially similar.
Both real AND illusory, like my cat is also my dog. That makes perfect sense.
I guess in your ivory tower, words are meaningless.
> But are you saying here your memory of dinner last night is "really"
> your dinner last night? I guess this would help those late night cravings.
>
> [Platt]
> Neither is history I suppose. No wonder you libs are so eager to
> ignore the wisdom of the past.
>
> [Arlo]
> Oh yes, we "libs" are sooo eager to ignore wisdom, deny freedom, side
> with the enemy, see American soldiers killed, lie, cheat and throw
> good, wholesome conservatives like yourself into gulags. Your
> constant pandering to right-wing talk radio nonsense continues to be
> shameless. Since I also gather this is simply more master-baiting,
> that you must feel an empty spot in your soul when your are not
> engaged in vitriolic exchanges with "commies", I'll pass. I have
> better things to do.
Ho-hum. The usual, totally predictable diatribe when you run out of cogent
argument.
> [Platt]
> As shown in other posts, it seems what you call the Buddhist
> understanding of "self" is controversial...
>
> [Arlo]
> As is the MOQ. Its why we are discussing it.
You bet, especially the implied claim that the MOQ is a Buddhist philosophy.
> [Platt]
> ... nor is it evident from the "illusory" thoughts of Pirsig that the
> MOQ is settled dictum on the subject.
>
> [Arlo]
> No, of course not. You can pick and choose which parts of the MOQ are
> of your liking all you want. I tend to think the Buddhist notions
> Pirsig derives his MOQ from are a high quality addition to my
> understanding of the world and my relation to it. If you don't, that
> is your choice.
I tend to think whatever Buddhist notions you think are derived from the MOQ
are open to question since they are not spelled out in any detail in Pirsig's
works. That is a high quality addition to my understanding of the world and my
relation to it.
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