[Platt] Note: This does not deny the reality of "self." It simply says value comes first. Thoughts are real, or what Pirsig has written here is an illusion.
[Arlo] Thoughts are "real"? I wonder if my thought of a glass of water will keep my from dehydrating? But this is very close to accuracy. The "self" is a thought among thoughts, a "meta-thought" if you will, an organizer, a semiotic focal point of memory, a pragmatically valuable "illusion" that has allowed an emergent escape from biological patterns. And for that we should love our "selves". But the "self" is a "reality" no more than a memory of a painting, or the recollection of hearing a beautiful sonnet. As if often the case, your ridiculous dichotomies point to two absurd and low quality poles. Acknowledging the reality of the "illusion", and acknowledging the illusory nature of the "reality" points instead to the Buddhist understanding of "self" and "world", which I add underscores the MOQ's understanding as well. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
