[Platt] Second, my real thoughts will lead me to assuaging my thirst with a real glass of water. That you don't see the connection between the physical and mental worlds is not surprising considering your other mindsets.
[Arlo] Which is a complete revision of the original argument. That thoughts lead to pragmatic, valuable activity (such as finding a glass of water, when have I denied? But the "self" is also a thought. [Platt] Pirsig's philosophy is postmodern only in the sense that it's unique. [Arlo] So now postmodern means unique? No, Pirsig's philosophy is postmodern in its denial of the primary empirical reality of subjects and objects, it adherence to the view that our intellectual descriptions of the world are always, inescapably rooted in language (social), and its denial that rationalism (a la modernism) is the path to happiness. [Arlo had said] No, both memories and the self are equally "real", and equally "illusory", and are existentially similar. [Platt] Both real AND illusory, like my cat is also my dog. That makes perfect sense. I guess in your ivory tower, words are meaningless. [Arlo] The typical, expected distortions, followed by another boring cliche assault on the academy. Talk about "ho hum". [Platt had said] Neither is history I suppose. No wonder you libs are so eager to ignore the wisdom of the past. [Arlo ridiculed the inane rhetoric of that statement] Oh yes, we "libs" are sooo eager to ignore wisdom, deny freedom, side with the enemy, see American soldiers killed, lie, cheat and throw good, wholesome conservatives like yourself into gulags. Your constant pandering to right-wing talk radio nonsense continues to be shameless. Since I also gather this is simply more master-baiting, that you must feel an empty spot in your soul when your are not engaged in vitriolic exchanges with "commies", I'll pass. I have better things to do. [Platt] Ho-hum. The usual, totally predictable diatribe when you run out of cogent argument. [Arlo] Oh, right, like your inane statement deserved "cogent response". When you dribble such stupid talk-radio bile into the dialogue, Platt, all one can do is respond by showing the outright moronic nature of such statements. "libs are eager to ignore the wisdom of the past"... Please. Such stuff is just stupid, shameless and moronic. But hey, why break tradition... [Platt] You bet, especially the implied claim that the MOQ is a Buddhist philosophy. [Arlo] Yes, let's ignore what Pirsig "claims" about his own philosophy. [Platt] I tend to think whatever Buddhist notions you think are derived from the MOQ are open to question since they are not spelled out in any detail in Pirsig's works. [Arlo] Really? I found them to be. Ah, but I included Pirsig's first book, what he calls "the path to enlightenment" in "his works", as well as subsequent interviews and exchanges with Ant and others. I also include his activity to promote and sponsor Zen meditation. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
