Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > As pointed out several times, the "mystic viewpoint" of self is not > mentioned in Lila. > > [Arlo] > "The language we've inherited confuses this. We say "my" body and > "your" body and "his" body and "her" body, but it isn't that way. > That's like a FORTRAN program saying, "this is my computer." "1 his > body on the left," and "This body on the right." That's the way to > say it. This Cartesian "Me," this autonomous little homunculus who > sits behind our eyeballs looking out through them in order to pass > judgment on the affairs of the world, is just completely ridiculous. > This self-appointed little editor of reality is just an impossible > fiction that collapses the moment one examines it. This Cartesian > "Me" is a software reality, not a hardware reality. This body on the > left and this body on the right are running variations of the same > program, the same "Me," which doesn't belong to either of them. The > "Me's" are simply a program format." (LILA)
Note: "This Caresian "Me" is a software REALITY . . ." Not an "illusion" as some have claimed. > "The value is between the stove and the oaths. Between the subject > and the object lies the value. This value is more immediate, more > directly sensed than any "self" or any "object" to which it might be > later assigned. Whether the stove is the cause of the low quality or > whether possibly something else is the cause is not yet absolutely > certain. But that the quality is low is absolutely certain. It is the > primary empirical reality from which such things as stoves and heat > and oaths and self are later intellectually constructed." (LILA) Note: This does not deny the reality of "self." It simply says value comes first. Thoughts are real, or what Pirsig has written here is an illusion. > "Everyone seemed to be guided by an "objective," "scientific" view of > life that told each person that his essential self is his evolved > material body. Ideas and societies are a component of brains, not the > other way around." (LILA) And components of brains are as real as brains themselves. Else Pirisg in writing a metaphysics is hallucinating. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
