Comments below:
[Ian]
> Hi Arlo, you're still talking about "composed"
> music. And I don't just
> mean symbolically written composition ...
> Jungle drumming (say) is full of symbology too, but
> is nevertheless
> composed by repetition and usage of rhythms and
> tonal patterns (or
> their designed absence if you're Cage or
> Stockhausen.)
> I still say there is a non-symbolic kind - just
> pleasing sounds with
> no prior thought to composition. I guess we're just
> debating when
> you'd call it "music". Bird song for example ?
> (Forget aesthetic I was
> just using it as non-symbolic - symbolic of nothing
> but its own
> experience - to contrast with symbolic.)
> > [Ian]
> > But see my point about purely aesthetic music too
> - without intellectual
> > symbology.
> > [Arlo]
> > Now, of course, there is the "music of nature",
> the "song" we hear as we walk
> > in the woods, and as such the aesthetic experience
> is formed from the
> > construction of disparate rather than ordered
> symbolic associations.
I didn't know where this was going at first, but
I find this interesting the more it is discussed and
clarified.
This goes along with what I've mentioned before
as 'listening to the wind', either while I meditate,
walk in the woods, or pick up fallen branches to burn.
Listening to the wind is an intellectual activity,
but one that is distinct from writing. I will go out
on a limb, and I may need to fine tune this later on,
but any stimulation upon the mind is
intellectualization. I find listening to the wind a
more direct experience, one that is more dynamic (also
included in this kind of listening experience is
listening to Louis Armstrong, Japanese flutist,
Beethoven, or Mongolian singers from the grasslands),
thus, more dynamic, as I was getting to, than say
writing. Maybe another way to describe this, is the
more I yin (take in), and the less yanging I do (push
my way) upon the world, the more directly I'm
experiencing with what I find to be a much larger
reality (than just this tiny skull) where it takes
light years for star light to reach my eyes. Yanging
is not wrong. Valuing is not necessarily moral
inclinations of right and wrong, good or bad. It is
based upon preferred experiences amidst this dynamic
reality.
woods,
SA
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