krimel, the book is: 'the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind', by julian jaynes.
as the title indicates, jaynes was investigating how human consciousness (which equates with the intellectual level) originated. i will not dwell with the rest of your post because quite frankly you are giving me the shits. --- Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [gav] > i think that the subject-object split underlies the > intellectual level. > > i think julian jaynes and bo would agree. > > [Krimel] > It has been years and years since I read Jaynes but > as I recall he was > addressing the differentiation of function in the > two hemispheres of the > brain. One side deals more with language production > and the other with > understanding language. Jaynes claimed that prior to > a particular date > people heard voices in their heads that they did not > identify with. They > just did what the voices said or felt guilty about > not doing it. He based > this largely on a speculative reading of ancient > writings. It was an > interesting if somewhat dubious set of ideas, that > he proposed. > > I would suggest that evolution works way too slowly > to have the kind of > effect Jaynes was claiming. On the other hand while > there are constraints on > how much our brain structure can change physically > over time, there are > plenty of gains we can make through efficiency. > Things like writing, > printing and digital coding, in short technological > innovations and skills > that have led to a remarkable transformation of > consciousness over the past > several centuries. I recently pointed out that IQs > have risen dramatically > over the past half a century largely due to > increased ability to work with > concepts. > > I will not dwell on the rest of your post other that > to point out that in > the Jewish tale of the Fall, man and God were never > "one". > > Oh yeah, that and all this business about > "enlightened" adults returning to > their allegedly original state of "unity" sounds a > bit like second childhood > minus the bedwetting. But then again there was the > breast feeding... > > Hmm, there is a dualism I am comfortable embracing. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
